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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2016: Grease frustration
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tim moore, "Island City" MI on Tuesday, June 28, 2016 - 09:32 pm:

I am working on a Ford tractor and finding the same thing as on Model T's. Wheel bearings only need grease, not the full hub full or the cap. If you fill the hubcap all you have is a cup of grease to put on your lips like chap stick. If you fill the hub between the inner and outer bearings that is just a mess to clean out, it won't fly around with centrifugal force unless hot and then there is something really wrong if the hub is that hot.

The rear caps on a Model T should never be full of grease or have ANY. No reason for grease there as you want a dry fit and tight on the axle.

Please don't pack these areas, send me tubes of grease instead or 10 gallons of fluid for my parts washer that is now just a mess.

Tim Moore


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Gregush Portland Oregon on Wednesday, June 29, 2016 - 01:33 am:

I have seen that maybe once on a car! Why would anyone pack the rear hub cap with grease? !


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Frank van Ekeren (Australia) on Wednesday, June 29, 2016 - 01:41 am:

I do, for the simple reason of having spare grease if needed for the fan or anything else on long tours, more room under the seat for other stuff.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson, southern Sweden on Wednesday, June 29, 2016 - 03:58 am:

Better greasy old stuff than rusty or worn out :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard Eagle Idaho Falls on Wednesday, June 29, 2016 - 07:25 am:

It was thought to be a good idea. At least it was a selling point. I have seen several versions of this:

http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/118802/138067.html

I agree that any more than what fills the bearing is a waste.
Rich


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charlie B actually in Toms River N.J. on Wednesday, June 29, 2016 - 09:11 am:

I can see Frank's point as to having a bit of usable lube for another purpose in a handy spot but agree that it doesn't do a thing for the bearing.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Wednesday, June 29, 2016 - 10:06 am:

And then there's this approach:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jared Buckert on Wednesday, June 29, 2016 - 10:34 am:

I think Frank has a good idea. It certainly would be easier than hauling a tube or gun of spare grease.

When I'm cleaning parts like this I always scrape the grease and crud out of the parts as much as possible. Cuts down on the junk being put into my solvent tank. But since my solvent tank is just a bucket with old gas in it, I guess I'm not out a lot if I have to get rid of it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Gregush Portland Oregon on Wednesday, June 29, 2016 - 11:12 am:

I think the hub cap that Steve shows came in a set of 4 two for the front with grease fittings and two for the rear without.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dewey, N. California on Wednesday, June 29, 2016 - 12:34 pm:

I had a boat trailer with "Bearing Buddy" dust caps that had a spring loaded end with a grease fitting on them. The inner hub bearing had a seal. The idea was that before launching, you pump grease in the hub so the spring load is putting it under a little pressure. This keeps water from getting into the wheel bearings. At least that was the idea!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael J. Wilcox on Thursday, June 30, 2016 - 05:57 pm:

Jared, where can I find the Greece gun head that fits the fittings in your picture? My 23 touring has these fittings for all the Greece points. I'd like to keep them if the gun would fit.

Thanks


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael Pawelek Brookshire, Texas on Thursday, June 30, 2016 - 06:19 pm:

David, I think the Bearing Buddy set up compensates for rapid temperature changes in the boat trailer beatings. You arrive at the boat ramp after driving with warm to hot bearings and back the wheels into cooler water which contracts all the metal and seals which can then suck water into the bearings. The spring compensates for the shrinkage and keeps the bearings packed with grease not allowing water to enter.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Alan George Long on Thursday, June 30, 2016 - 07:46 pm:

Excess grease will actually cause overheating in hubs. This is especially true with modern vehicles running at higher speeds and loads. The correct procedure is to pack grease into all bearings and lightly coat the internal of the hub with it but just enough to prevent it going rusty.
Bearing manufacturers go to great length to educate mechanics etc of the correct procedure. Having grease in the hub cap is a good idea but I don't personally do it.
This is how I was trained.
Alan from Western Australia (currently in Canada)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dewey, N. California on Thursday, June 30, 2016 - 09:13 pm:

Michael,
Yep, now that you mention it, that was how it was explained to me so many decades ago. That was the trailer under our steamboat Mikahala, boy do I miss that boat (enough time has gone by that I miss it, having forgotten whatever problems it dealt me!). :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jared Buckert on Friday, July 01, 2016 - 08:19 am:

Michael, the picture is courtesy of Steve Jelf, but I'll take a crack at answering your question anyway. I'm sure Steve will have a better answer, but here it goes.

The fitting question is known as an alemite fitting. They were the precursor to the modern zerk fittings we see today. I don't know if anyone sells modern adapters, but alemite grease guns can usually be found at swap meets or auctions for reasonable prices. We have a few on hand, since our fleet ranges from a 1914 Case car and 1919 tractors to brand new John Deere four wheel drive tractors, with a little bit of everything in between. Gotta make sure you can keep everything lubed up if you want to make it last 100+ years.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Friday, July 01, 2016 - 09:18 am:


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If you aspire to have a fully-equipped modern shop, you must have this. :-)

Flat-top Alemite fittings on a T were an "upgrade" from grease cups in the late teens and the twenties. Alemite switched to modern Zerk fittings after they were patented in 1929.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael J. Wilcox on Friday, July 01, 2016 - 09:09 pm:

Thanks for the information. I'll start searching for a an Alemite grease gun.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Corey Walker, Brownsboro TX on Saturday, July 02, 2016 - 09:44 pm:

I put some brakes on my 47 Hudson a while back and that was the only old car I ever took a front hub off that wasn't completely filled with grease. I put some bearings in a hay rake last week and my boss wanted me to fill that hub with grease. Whatever. I just pack the bearings. I took apart a Model A rear axle one time and the whole thing was full of grease. I wondered why no oil drained out when I took out the plug. Guess somebody got tired of oil leaks.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Stroud on Sunday, July 03, 2016 - 04:27 am:

I was always taught to just pack the bearings. Anything else was just a waste of grease. I always do smear a bit of grease on everything else inside of the hub just to keep any rust from forming. This has worked for me for 60 years, right or wrong. JMHO. Dave


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