Gas Headlamp Doors

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2016: Gas Headlamp Doors
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill Elliott on Wednesday, June 29, 2016 - 02:29 pm:

On a set of black and brass headlamps, I'm assuming they came in right and left since they opened on different sides. Is the correct way to have the hinges facing out or in? Personally, I'm thinking the hinges would face out and with the latches toward the radiator but I may be wrong.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Wednesday, June 29, 2016 - 03:16 pm:

If they are E&J, Corcoran or Victor originally all opened the same way - right (left if you are facing the lamp).

Brown lamps open left and right for 1913- 14. In that case you don't want them opening towards the radiator.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Andy Clary on Wednesday, June 29, 2016 - 04:20 pm:

I'm not sure of the correct way to install them, I installed mine hinges inboard. You only have to slip once and rake the back of your hand across the stud/nut to know why.

Andy


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Larry Smith, Lomita, California on Wednesday, June 29, 2016 - 07:46 pm:

Brown hinges are the same, right or left for the rim. It's the part on the lamp that determines if it's a right or left. I like the hinges toward the radiator, so if the door flies open it won't hit the fender and crack the lens.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken Parker on Wednesday, June 29, 2016 - 08:55 pm:

I like the hinges toward the radiator too. There is more room to tighten the knurled nut that way.

The Victor No. 2 and Corcoran are a match except for the name on the bonnet.



We were also talking about the Victor No. 1 last month which is seldom seen and one of our forum friends posted a picture of his Victor No. 1,



I just showed the "lefts" because the E&J was the only headlamp for '13/'14 that came "right" only.

Another feature that makes the E&J easy to spot in the old pictures is they have five vent holes on each side of their bonnet. The others all have four vent holes except for the Victor No. 1. It has three but I have yet to see an old photograph of the Victor No. 1 on a car.

Ken in Texas


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Phil Mino, near Porterville on Wednesday, June 29, 2016 - 09:41 pm:

I have observed some subtle differences in the Corcoran and Victor 2 headlights.

The radius of the jamb differs. As a result, the chimneys are not interchangeable.

Corcoran :

Corc

Victor:

Vic

Also, the backs are a little different.

Corcoran:

Corc -2

Victor:

Vic -2

In addition, the hinge on the Victor is attached with three rivets; the Corcoran has only two.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken Parker on Wednesday, June 29, 2016 - 09:54 pm:

Phil,

That is quite a bit of difference. Do they hold the mangin mirrors with wedges like the John Browns?

Ken in Texas


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Phil Mino, near Porterville on Wednesday, June 29, 2016 - 10:02 pm:

Ken,

The ones I have encountered used pressed steel wedges instead of the castings used in the Browns. RV Anderson makes reproductions of them.

I'll dig through the parts stash and put up some images later if no one beats me to it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill Harper - Keene, NH on Wednesday, June 29, 2016 - 10:21 pm:

Were headlamps always installed in rights and lefts? I ask because I have seen more than a few cars with two lefts or two rights and the owners claim that the car came that way. My '14 has two right hinged Brown lamps.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Phil Mino, near Porterville on Thursday, June 30, 2016 - 05:19 am:

Retaining wedges used in the Corcoran lamps:

Corc wedge -1

Corc wedge -2

Corc wedge -3

Corc wedge -4

I've removed this style from a gas headlight but cannot recall if it's a Victor or some other:

wedge-1

wedge-2

wedge-3


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill Elliott on Thursday, June 30, 2016 - 06:50 am:

Early black and brass round back Corcoran's had their mirrors held in place with a single metal clip and came in left and right.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Verne Shirk on Thursday, June 30, 2016 - 08:44 am:

I have a "pair" of Browns I bought that are a right and left but the set screws that hold the light to the fork are outside the lamp on one and inside the lamp on the other.


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