You gotta love it- New technology! The new car gives a free start after every stop. The old one - free start often. How things have changed in 100 years.
The wheels are similar too. I really like the old one.
Gotta love free starts
I dos get free starts!
I have to pay for everything.
I don't get free starts
I was wondering the other day if we get more free starts with today's fuel, tighter engines and better adjusted coils then back in the day when the cars were new.
I've actually heard free starts are more common on worn engines. Don't know that I believe it.....I don't know what the rationale was for the theory, but I've heard it said on this forum. I could certainly believe that they are more common with more volatile fuel. I don't believe coil adjustment would have much bearing on it. As long as a coil will throw sparks at the plug on battery I think you would have just as good a chance for a free start as you would with a perfectly tuned one. Poorly adjusted coils show their colors when running on magneto.
Yrs ago when the big car show and swap meet was at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, I showed my '14 Model T Ford and drove it around the race track. When I got back to the show grounds, we were talking about free starts. I shut off my Model t and it gave me a free start. I knew it would. Then a fellow asked if it do it again. I said sure. It did it 33 times before I quit. That is the number of race cars they raced in May. That's the reason I remember the number.
"I've actually heard free starts are more common on worn engines."
That sounds plausible as the worn engines spin over easier than an "unworn" engine.
My unrestored '17 is very worn out (the original owner drove it for 30 years).
It will free start all day long.
I can get free starts with my dad's '17 touring (fairly fresh rebuild) but not like I can with my roadster.
Also, you can guarantee more free starts if you don't idle down before turning off the ignition and/or if you set up your timer so it is overly retarded when the spark lever is all the way up.
I got a free start with my completely new rebuilt engine with cold engine. I just primed it three turns with choke closed and no spark, turned the key on battery and it started.
Philippe brings up an interesting point. What exactly constitutes a free start? To me, a free start is doing nothing more than turning the gas on if you shut it off, then turning the key on. Maybe others have a wider definition?
As for my car, I've never gotten a free start, but I've had it pop when I turn the key on. It'll fire that first quarter but doesn't spin over enough to actually start. But very rarely do I have to crank it more than three quarters before she's off to the races.
There's a couple of YouTube videos of owners doing 'free starts' with their T's...here is one.
Different ways, sometimes just a turn of the key to BAT, with spark retarded already. Other times you leave the spark advanced and then retard to get a coil to fire and start the engine.
I'd still give it credit for a free start even if you had to choke it first. My definition would just be that you didn't use the crank or starter and that it started on it's own when you flipped the switch to battery.
My 26 "Doctor's Coupe" would give free starts 5-10 in a row before I swapped out the vaporizer for the Holley NH. Now it's rare.
If I pull up and shut it off. Then switch to battery and it starts. That is a free start. No nothing else.
"Free start" even after priming with crank and choke can only be obtained with a model T. All other cars of this period have high tension mag or distributor that cannot give start without crank or starter. Isn't it enough to call it "free start" ?
There were some early distributor equipped cars with a free start button back in the starterless days, so you could have a try before cranking - here's one thread about such a system from Remy:
My dad's 1910 IHC Model F roadster has a Remy low tension mag and a "free start" button on the coil box. (The same box as Steve Hughes posted in the other thread but with the correct hard rubber handle key.)
It does work but one of the four pistons needs to be in the proper position on the downstroke in order for the car to start successfully on its own.
Eric: I would like to see a photo of your coil box with the correct knob. I would like to see how close I came with the wood one that I made. Either post it here or email it to me at skh at eskays dot com.
I used an old-timer trick on several T's I owned. Put the spark up all the way, with a piece of wood,say a Popsicle stick, under the spark lever.Angle it from the stop at the top of the quadrant down to the point where you normally get a free start. Leave the switch turned to battery. When you come out of the hardware store or wherever you've been, announce to the crowd--you better start, you ***** of ****,you, and so forth. Kick hell out of a front tire, thus knocking the spark lever down the 'ramp'.Jump on and drive off.Always leaves them slack-jawed.
A free start is anytime you turn the key and the car starts. Only counting those when you shut the car of and then turn it back on is a bit wonky, as it has been primed by the engine having just been turning. I do not give up on my car for a free start if it does nothing until I pull the timing all the way down and then back up quickly, it will start that way about as often as when it is retarded all the way.
Jim, I'm not getting the vision on how your popsicle trick works. Could you post pictures of how you set it up? I've heard of hanging a weight on the lever in order to do the same thing, but this sounds a little more inconspicuous.
And what do you do if she doesn't start???
Hey Fred. I think you can free starts at one of the venders.
David. Divorce her and get one that will.