MAGNETS SUPERCHARGED ON FLYWHEEL AND IN CAR

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2016: MAGNETS SUPERCHARGED ON FLYWHEEL AND IN CAR
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Max Albert Treece on Friday, September 02, 2016 - 12:34 pm:

MAGNETS SUPERCHARGED ON FLYWHEEL AND IN CAR
The pair of identical pear shaped coils, of 144 turns of #14 house wire, compressed vertically inside, each layer starts over, with a magnet inside, are held against an attracting magnet on the flywheel. For Flywheel 10A the sum of the magnets held 288.680 pounds. One magnet held 24.814 pounds.
Early small magnet Flywheel 13A held 273.104 pounds where one of it's magnets held
24.097 pounds!
Conclusion, early small magnets have better magnetic material considering their small size.
DSC_0140.jpg CHARGE TOOL ON FLYWHEEL, ATTRACTING, SIDE copy.jpg


CHARGE TOOL ATTRACTING
After charging, to overcome the tool magnet to flywheel magnet high tension attraction, tip the tool up 90 degrees. Then pull and rotate, separating one magnet end. Then pull up and away the other end.

Flywheel 10A held 231.688 pounds before being charged. The Model T magneto flux induction is from the side of the magnet into the magnet clamp plate 3277 and then into the coil assembly. This is MAGNET WEIGHT TESTING of ENGINE INDUCTION. Ford's requirement was 40 pounds magnet end pick-up. Picking up is a function of acceleration. Holding, presented here, is steady state. The purpose of this presentation is to provide the design and test data of a small 3 pound palm held tool that instantly charges a magnet on the flywheel, on a bench, or in a car, by a $40 battery charger in the 12 volt, 55 amp start mode. Eight attracting magnets are charged. The tool is flipped over and the other 8 attracting magnets are charged. Took 6 minutes total. The tool is pre-charged, essentially eliminating power lost in the tool.
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COILS VERTICAL STACKED INSIDE. Looking into the open ends of the coils shows vertically stacked inner windings to get the maximum turns. Each identical coil is wound from a 50 foot #14 Thin Insulated Red House Wire from Home Depot on a mandrel made from a 3/4 x 6 iron pipe nipple machined on one side to 0.78" outside thickness with a 3 pipe flange screwed on backwards. A 3/8 x 3 dia. aluminum PRY-OFF DISK was lathe cut and center bored to slip over the nipple. Four 7/16 wide x 1/16 deep slots are milling machined in the back to provide screw driver pry off slots. See MAGNET CHARGING pdf SHEET 1 MANDREL for details.

Benefits of High Magnetic Charge
Higher magnetic charge increases the magneto output voltage. A higher voltage sine wave will last longer before crossing the minimum threshold voltage required by the coils to fire a spark plug. This should significantly reduce the no response dead zone in spark advance. When starting the engine on magneto, spark plugs should fire at lower RPM resulting from increased voltage. An electronic voltage regulator could be used to limit the maximum voltage if desired.
Send me a USB 2 or a USB 3 stick, or request a CD, and send $3 for each to cover Ready Post Cushion Mailer 6"x10" envelope & postage in contiguous USA states, to get 83 pages of instructions with photos for mandrel construction and for coil construction. Provided separately are engineering drawings in pdf format for coil design. Instructions continue for magnet removal if necessary, single magnet charging, testing, and flywheel balancing, plus many pages of test statistics and photos which are not going to fit in this forum. Max Treece, 5052 Windsor Dr., San Diego CA 92109-1341.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Max Albert Treece on Friday, September 02, 2016 - 01:09 pm:

VERTICAL STACKED WINDINGS.jpg

I never see the window for adding pictures. They are reduced pixels for less than 200 KB. Help. Max Treece


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Strange - Hillsboro, MO on Friday, September 02, 2016 - 01:18 pm:

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Thomas Mullin on Friday, September 02, 2016 - 01:36 pm:

Max, You can also do it in your message using the special codes.

For an image, use the \image{reminder name}

The reminder name is to remind you which image this one is when you go to post the message. The braces are the curly ones, not normal parentheses.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Terry Horlick in Penn Valley, CA on Friday, September 02, 2016 - 05:07 pm:

Max, your post both intrigues and confuses me. Judging by your figures your magnets are picking up 18 lbs. each (288 lbs./ 16 magnets). You say Ford specified 40 lbs. for each magnet.

All I can find is a 45-50 reading on the Ford Magnet tester specified by Ford. I have seen the recommendation that a magnet be able to pick up a steel piston with rings and pin attached... a whopping 2.75 lbs.!

So you can see where my confusion lies, most folks are happy with 3 lbs., you are getting 18 lbs. and you claim that Ford wanted 40 lbs.

I am interested in seeing what your setup looks like, but being a model T guy I am a bit too frugal to allow me to remit funds to you to have a look-see. Perhaps you can post some photos or send them to me and I will upload them for you. That way maybe we will have enough lifting power to lift the fog surrounding this thread!

Respectfully submitted, TH


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Semprez-Templeton, CA on Friday, September 02, 2016 - 06:00 pm:

This is curious indeed. According to Consoliver in his book Automotive Electricity, 1925 edition, (magnets)... when fully charged, have a pull of 5 to 6 lb. each.

I personally have tried supersaturating Ford magnets and have seen 10 to 12 lbs. However that is short lived as the magnets return to equilibrium (5 to 6 lbs.) in a few hours.

The challenge when charging magnets, is getting a good transfer of the magnetic flux from the charger to the magnet. I polish the ends of the magnet with a grinder to establish the best contact possible.

A more technical description of your process/results would be very interesting.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Max Albert Treece on Sunday, September 04, 2016 - 01:25 pm:

My Mac OSX computer does not enable "Your Image Here" nor \image {reminder name}.

I have a new add "Magnets Supercharged on Flywheel IN CAR ADD.doc". I am not even charging for the envelope and postage. Someone mail me your address and I will send you a CD disk, good for PC & Mac. If you have a PC, please try to post my new add. Share the CD with friends.

Max Treece 5052 Windsor DR, San Diego CA 92109-1441


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