Issues with Nickel Headlamp rims... Any suggestions

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2016: Issues with Nickel Headlamp rims... Any suggestions
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Simon Bayley on Sunday, September 18, 2016 - 06:54 am:

Hi all - I brought some repro nickel headlamp rims from a Langs and the item has been well made but the rivets are too wide and don't seem to extend deep enough into the headlamp bucket. Any ideas... it's a long way to send back from New Zealand to USA. Are there better made ones (rivet wise) out there from another vendor? I know originals would be best but can't find any.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Larry Smith, Lomita, California on Sunday, September 18, 2016 - 10:02 am:

Like I've said many times on this forum. Stick with originals!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard L Grzegorowicz on Sunday, September 18, 2016 - 10:57 am:

Hi, Larry. I've had this problem too. take your micrometer and find a nail the size of the pin's in the rim, check them all as when the nickel was done to the ring it added a lot to the size of the pins, this takes some time, but when your finished they will fit good. take a fine rat tail file to each slot in the bucket and fit each slot to the ring, before the glass is installed. mark each ring to there bucket. a little bees wax helps seating the ring, .try them a few times and mark the location where they fit best. good luck.Greg


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace, North FL on Monday, September 19, 2016 - 09:30 pm:

Simon

Here is an older post on same problems with repro rims.

http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/411944/483022.html?1415736188

Maybe some of the info can assist you in getting those rims to fit.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kevin Whelihan Danbury, WI on Tuesday, September 20, 2016 - 08:01 am:

Actually, the last repop nickel headlamp rims I bought for my Improved car, wouldn't fit because the rivets were too long. I looked at some originals I had and cut the smaller part of the pin pin off. Then the rim clipped in as it should.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By thomas elliott nw pa on Tuesday, September 20, 2016 - 10:13 pm:

I have been struggling with a similar problem with headlights. Mine are original except for the chrome reflectors I bought from Lang's, I did end up grinding the edge of the reflectors to fit better in the buckets. I did not take the lights apart myself so the assy. I had to figure out, some times the smallest things can be the most troubling, I have read and reread the earlier post on new trim rings if ever I need. Once again the forum comes through, it's great.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dewey, N. California on Wednesday, September 21, 2016 - 12:17 am:

I keep hoping that someone will make actual reproductions of the headlight reflectors, like has been done with the Model A reflectors. The repros do not have the proper "dish" to them, besides not fitting! And we won't go into chrome, which is a lousy reflector surface, and actually illegal in many states.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Allan Bennett - Australia on Wednesday, September 21, 2016 - 12:27 am:

David, I find that there are many originals available, but they need re-silvering. The cost then becomes a major factor, usually way more than an ill fitting, improperly made reproduction. But, at least they will fit!!!!

Like Thomas, even originals may need a small edge grind to facilitate easy fitting.

Allan from down under.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dewey, N. California on Wednesday, September 21, 2016 - 01:20 am:

Allen
That's why I keep hoping someone will make them--the A ones are done with the UVIRA treatment--makes an excellent reflective surface that should outlast the owner.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Allan Bennett - Australia on Wednesday, September 21, 2016 - 05:23 am:

Devid, I can have originals replated using the UVIRA treatment, for just $90.00 each!!!!!! If this is not a rip off, it is hardly likely that new repro's will be cheap.

Allan from down under.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Allan Bennett - Australia on Wednesday, September 21, 2016 - 05:25 am:

Devid, I can have originals replated with the UVIRA treatment for just $90 each!!!!! If this is not a rip-off, I can't see new repro's being any cheaper.
Allan from down under.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kevin Whelihan Danbury, WI on Wednesday, September 21, 2016 - 07:01 am:

Allan,

My last set of original reflectors I sent to Uvira for "replating" cost $75/pair. Outside of shipping, I can't understand why you got hit so badly. Did you talk directly to Bill Atwood at Uvira? I never used a middle man and went directly through Bill.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Allan Bennett - Australia on Wednesday, September 21, 2016 - 08:13 am:

Kevin, that was a quoted price from a fellow who specialises in old car lights of all types. I don't know where he gets them done. I do know he won't be doing mine at that price. Have you contact details for Bill Atwood?

Allan from down under.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By JohnCodman on Wednesday, September 21, 2016 - 10:08 am:

Simon, I had the same issue with the headlight rings from Lang's. As usual, they were great about it and took them back for a full credit. I then had the originals re-nickel plated locally.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Derek Kiefer - Mantorville, MN on Wednesday, September 21, 2016 - 10:29 am:

I just bought a pair of them a few weeks ago. Mine just needed the tabs bent a little and then they fit fine.

My originals were cracked in about 5 places each, and not worth re-plating. Steel ones in decent condition are easy to find, but not the nickel plated brass ones.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dewey, N. California on Wednesday, September 21, 2016 - 12:23 pm:

The A reflectors are very well priced--I am assuming the maker has a deal with UVIRA on "large quantities" so it make the A ones very affordable (catalog not handy or I'd look them up!)
$90 each sounds a bit excessive!! I do know the nicer they are when you send them, the lower the cost--and if you can send then Nickel plated already, the cost drops even more. No, can't quote the amounts, it was a little bit ago that I checked into it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson, southern Sweden on Wednesday, September 21, 2016 - 12:36 pm:

Model A Uvira reflectors are $46.50 from Snyder's. They have cheaper imports too, maybe chromed?

http://www.snydersantiqueauto.com/head-lamp-reflectors-1474

http://www.snydersantiqueauto.com/headlamp-reflectors


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dewey, N. California on Wednesday, September 21, 2016 - 11:57 pm:

I believe those are the ones, built to the Ford drawing--the cheaper, chromed imports are not!
Now you can see why I'm hoping someone comes out with good T reflectors too!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kevin Whelihan Danbury, WI on Thursday, September 22, 2016 - 06:47 am:

Allan,

Contact details for Bill Atwood:

Uvira Inc
310 Pleasant Valley Road
Merlin, OR 97532
Phone: (541) 474-5050

I had an email address someplace but can't find it at the moment. Bill is an old car guy himself and refurbishes the reflectors as more of a service to the antique car community. Give him a call. He's a great guy and a knowledgeable resource. He can also "re-plate" the repop reflectors as-is, originals require plating with polished bright nickel. I have both types and can't tell the difference in their reflectivity.
Good Luck! You'll love 'em, no tarnishing...ever.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dewey, N. California on Friday, September 23, 2016 - 11:30 pm:

As noted on another thread, Snyders now has the T headlight Reflectors made to Ford blueprints and with the UVIRA type aluminumized reflector coating.
And now I must admit that I knew they were working on these, but I was asked not to tell anyone. I had no idea how close they were getting to releasing them--I was posting in hope that it might get some response from Snyders!
Time to order mine for Barney!!
:-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Hjortnaes, Men Falls, WI on Saturday, September 24, 2016 - 09:53 am:

http://www.snydersantiqueauto.com/headlight-reflectors

Here are the T reflectors


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dewey, N. California on Saturday, September 24, 2016 - 10:28 am:

BTW, order sent!! Oh boy, oh boy, Hurk, Reflectors!!
(With apologies to the AC Gilbert Ad Department)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Hagerty on Saturday, September 24, 2016 - 10:55 pm:

And this has to do with AC Gilbert... How...?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dewey, N. California on Sunday, September 25, 2016 - 12:54 am:

David, that was one of their famous ads, two kids talking and one says to the other, "Boy oh Boy, Hurk! TRAINS!"
That's why apologies to them for using their stuff.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Hagerty on Sunday, September 25, 2016 - 01:06 am:

Okay David, I was kind of thinking that, just didn't remember good ole Hurk!

Thank You Sir!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Simon Bayley on Sunday, September 25, 2016 - 05:02 am:

Thanks all - will have to send back and hunt out some orginals cheers Simon


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dewey, N. California on Wednesday, September 28, 2016 - 04:13 pm:

My Snyder's T reflectors arrived today; they look GREAT! The edges and backs are painted black, and the reflectors are metal--fairly thick metal that is magnetic. Simon, you should give these a try, I think!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Walt Berdan, Bellevue, WA on Thursday, September 29, 2016 - 04:07 pm:

I rarely order from Snyder's, not sure why other than I really like Lang's, Chaffin's and Antique Auto Ranch. In any case, Snyder's has the new reflectors and I ordered some online on Monday afternoon (Pacific Time) and they arrived in today's mail. Great looking product and fast service, doesn't get much better.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dewey, N. California on Thursday, September 29, 2016 - 07:05 pm:

The others will probably have them in a little while, right now, AFAIK, Snyders is the "exclusive" supplier.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By James A Bartsch on Thursday, September 29, 2016 - 08:46 pm:

Snyders will bring preorders to Hershey. Both Lang's and Snyders have confirmed the parts I ordered last week will be there. jb


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerry VanOoteghem - SE Michigan on Thursday, September 29, 2016 - 08:59 pm:

Simon,

Why wouldn't you take the matter up with Lang's??? Yes, it's a long way to ship them back but I'm thinking Lang's will find away to to help you out.


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