Whats the deal with these 2 different rims

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2016: Whats the deal with these 2 different rims
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Doug Keppler, Fredon NJ on Tuesday, November 22, 2016 - 07:21 pm:




Can someone explain these rims. I have 4 of the
ones on the right and one of the left, all of
them solid (not split rims).Is one meant to be
for a spare? The one on the left seems to be
built stronger, all the lug holes are bent in
on the left one. They are off a 24 touring.
Thanks Doug


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Allan Bennett - Australia on Tuesday, November 22, 2016 - 07:36 pm:

Doug, In Australia, the rim on the left is a Hayes product. It should be stamped on the outside of the lug. The wheel felloe needs a relief for the foot on that lug to be able to be bolted up. If your wheels have that relief, you are good to go.

Hope this helps.
Allan from down under.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Wednesday, November 23, 2016 - 12:24 am:

There are several variations of those demountable rims. They were made by at least three different companies, and also came in loose lug as well as attached lug versions.
While they sort of fit on each other, the various rims mostly do not fit well on the wrong wheels. Over the years, a lot of Ts have wound up with wrong rims. You should try to have four matching wheels on your car, and have proper matching rims that fit properly.
I don't happen to have any quick links to previous threads, but a few of our regular posters do and often post a little better information.
Give them a few minutes.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hap Tucker in Sumter SC on Thursday, November 24, 2016 - 10:05 pm:

Doug,

The short answer is any of those 5 rims should interchange fine assuming the felloes are all the same with the indent for the Hayes style lug to fit past and were originally for a Ford and not some other make of car – ref: the Jan 1924 Ford Service Bulletin posted below:





As Allan shared, the rim on the left appears to be a Hayes style rim. If you look closely at the lugs you will probably find one or more of them with the word “HAYES” stamped into the face of the lug. Sometimes on the part closest to the rim as shown below or other times stamped vertically on the top side of the lug but running down the leg of the lug.





As mentioned in the Jan 1924 Service Bulletin, Ford USA went to a standardized rim and wheel in 1924. So any rim manufactured by any Ford wheel supplier would fit any wheel that was then being supplied on the new Fords.



Note Hayes and the other wheel makers produced wheels and rims in a 30 x 3 1/2 clincher size for other cars as well as the after market. The 30 x 3 1/2 clincher Chevy rims are sometimes commonly adapted to work on the Model Ts. But if you use a Chevy rim be sure you have moved the valve stem location so it will fit any standard Ford wheel. See below:







Truth in posting -- I would like someone to verify or correct the following: It is my understanding that you should not have to tighten the fixed lugs on the 2845B Hayes or 2845B Ford rims so the lug touches the side of the felloe. The fixed lug rims seat against the flared inner portion of the felloe. They will often be tight enough and still have an air gap between the rear of the lug and the side of the felloe.

"IF" my understanding above is correct (and we asked for confirmation or correction) then where you mentioned that the lugs were bent inward on the rim on the left. Perhaps someone over tightened that rim at one point or another and bent the lugs?

Respectfully submitted,

Hap l9l5 cut off

(Message edited by Hap_tucker on November 24, 2016)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Allan Bennett - Australia on Thursday, November 24, 2016 - 10:14 pm:

Hap, I believe the fixed lug rims do engage on the inner ledge of the rim and the lugs stand up to 1/8" off the outer face of the felloe. This also means the outer edge of the rim does NOT bind on the felloe. There is room to fit a credit card between the rim and felloe, unless the inner ledge is badly worn, which will allow the lugs to be pulled into the felloe.

Hope this helps.
Allan from down under.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Thursday, November 24, 2016 - 10:40 pm:


This Hayes felloe has a notch for the lug to fit...


...because the Hayes lug extends inward across the bead.

An additional point on the Chevrolet rim: It's 3¼" wide. Ford clincher rims are 2½" wide.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Thursday, November 24, 2016 - 11:00 pm:


Hayes rims usually have the name stamped on the lugs.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Allan Bennett - Australia on Friday, November 25, 2016 - 07:11 am:

The Hayes felloes with which I am familiar, have a rolled in edge, which is a little narrower than the rolled out edge on the inside of the felloe. That rolled in edge has a depression where the foot of the lug goes. On our Canadian sourced cars, the only felloe with no rolled in outer edge like the one Steve shows, is on the 21" Ford wheels on our 1926-7 cars.

Allan from down under.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Doug Keppler, Fredon NJ on Friday, November 25, 2016 - 08:02 am:

Thanks a lot guys


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