What came in the tool kit?

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Sorry, I just couldn't resist. I am glad Dan posted the link, I couldn't find any but it might help you Marlin if you stated the year of the car you want the kit for since they did change what was supplied at various times and also some of the tools themselves had early and later versions depending on the year of the tool kit.

John, I'm laughing my butt off! Somehow you beat Dennis to the punch!

Tools for the early tool rolls are somewhat difficult to find, because most all of the tools were unmarked. You need to find a parts book for the year of your car, and then a magnifying glass to see as much detail as possible. Usually the tool roll photos can be a year off too. The later years are much easier. Additionally, I don't believe the tools were ever painted. I saw an original 12-13 hubcap wrench on ebay yesterday for $175 which doesn't surprise me. I've sold those in the past for $100.

Further complicating things is that various companies made Ford's tools, so a particular tool that remained the same for several years may come with varying details.

There's also a wide range of survival rates. The #1349 and #2335 wrenches aren't quite a dime a dozen, but they're not far from it. I might give as much as $5 for a particularly nice one. On the other hand, the #1903 screwdriver is made of unobtainium. You will be lucky to find one, and supremely lucky if you don't have to pay a bundle for it.

That 12-13 hub cap wrench had a "Buy It Now" of $300. AND SOMEONE DID!!!!! Must have really wanted (or needed) it!

Steve, I actually did find a 1903 screw driver this past year, not in the best of shape, therefore I didn't have to pay a bunch. But I scooped it up as fast as I found it!

Charles..I'm not afraid to show my ignorance...what would that wrench look like, especially that made it so danged expensive? And, does anyone know where one could obtain one of those nice wooden tool cases to carry tools and tire pump in?

Okay, I knew somethin' didn't seem right about the screwdriver number...it's a 1902. The 1903 is the pliers, of which I have that also. Who doesn't, right? Ha ha.

Tim,
The 12 -13 wrench is on the bottom. The top is for earlier.




I don't know where to get the cases. I looked into that several years ago (to put my 1931 Model A tools in) and didn't find a source. So I made one out of an old black leather suitcase.

Charles...thanks. Now that you've sent this pic, I think I did see one somewhere in a picture or artist rendering type thing. Love to have one, but not for $300!! $50 maybe, not 300. That's a nice tool kit you made.

I have the correct 3 hole hubcap wrench for my 1912 chocolate van. On one trip to Spokane I found two of them at FORD N More, and thought Christmas had come early. It wasn't until I got to the service point that I counted the 6 flats on the large end!!!

My correct one cost me all of two dollars at the Ballarat swap meet a few years ago.

I am still in need of the cast spark plug tube wrench and tommy bar if anyone has a spare. I can swap a 1902 screwdriver with a new made-to-the-factory-print wooden handle.

Allan from down under.

Were all of the tools such as wrenches and pliers in Model T tool kit originally painted black, like the late tire pumps and jacks?

Thanks

No.


Most of the ones I find are like this, or they're rusty.

OK thanks Steve.

I thought the T1349 hubcap wrench for a 13 looked like all the later more common styles, with the ones in the photo posted above on the bottom was the 10/11 and the one above the 10/11 in the photo was the 9/10? .

This is from John Regan's document page on his Fun Projects site. He mentioned the makers trade mark was added in 1914. With the Ford logo in 1920.

That data came from an old "Archifacts" article I wrote for the MTFCI publication and was based upon drawings and release info I found at the archives. None of the dates or details were from anyone's opinion including mine. The Ford script was an artwork that I lifted to insert into the line drawings and thus the drawings would not be suitable artwork to engrave a tool with to make it authentic but the date it began was the first appearance of that artwork in the factory drawing for the part. As I always state, the dates given are the dates the drawing was changed and NOT the date that the part would appear "on the car" or in the case of the tool "in the car". It would seem reasonable to assume that typically a drawing change date would take then some time for the change to appear in manufactured products and in the case of the mentioned wrench the new version of the wrench with 4 holes in it was created after the 1911 Model car since the 1912 car began on October 1, 1911 and the wrench would be a 1912 item eventually and my opinion is then that it would appear by mid 1912 and was most certainly the wrench used for 1913 models. This wrench also has many slight differences during the production years which then indicated to me that it had more than one manufacturing source.

Believe what you want!