Roller thrust washers?

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2016: Roller thrust washers?
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Wednesday, December 14, 2016 - 10:45 pm:

Some say they're just a bunch of unnecessary moving parts to go haywire. Others say less friction = more power. What do you think?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill Harper - Keene, NH on Wednesday, December 14, 2016 - 11:46 pm:

I have had the opportunity to examine two sets of those roller thrust washers which, um, er, came apart.

That sold me on the bronze thrust washers. My two cents worth, perhaps overvalued. Bill


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Thursday, December 15, 2016 - 07:18 am:

It is a dandy expensive overly complex and ill advised solution to a problem that does not exist.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Alan George Long on Thursday, December 15, 2016 - 07:26 am:

Agree, forget needle roller bearings in any part of a Model T
The standard bush behind the universal joint and bronze thrusts of the differential centre are more than appropriate
Alan


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Donnie Brown North Central Arkansas on Thursday, December 15, 2016 - 09:04 am:

Royce explained it very well.....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Thursday, December 15, 2016 - 10:37 am:

So far everybody here has confirmed my opinion. I was surprised to see Facebook posts by a couple of apparently experienced Model T guys recommending them. That's where the "less friction = more power" remark came from. My thought on seeing that was "How much?" I suspect if there is any difference at all it would be too tiny to detect, and too insignificant to justify the potential failure of superfluous moving parts.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Rogers - South of the Adirondacks on Thursday, December 15, 2016 - 11:07 am:

Royce said it best...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Les Schubert on Thursday, December 15, 2016 - 06:37 pm:

Just a thought. Perhaps what is happening on the forum is similar to some of the "shaming " that is related to "political correctness ". The poster gets "slagged " for sharing their experiences or perhaps opinion.
Just a possibility


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charlie B actually in Toms River N.J. on Thursday, December 15, 2016 - 06:43 pm:

Not knocking the site but I went there for a look-see after a recent posting here about it. Not impressed with what I saw and I didn't notice many (make that any) of the regular posters here whose opinions I trust.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erik Barrett in Auburn Ca. on Thursday, December 15, 2016 - 09:39 pm:

Agree with Royce. Also not a fan of using a Torrington needle roller bearing on the front of the driveshaft.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary Blake, Kansas City on Thursday, December 15, 2016 - 11:05 pm:

I commented on this post; "Can see the gears in the rear axle part 2" before I saw this one.

I've never seen Torringtons used in a rear axle, only Timken tapered roller bearings and the stock Model T's use of bronze and Hyatts.

I have seen Torringtons used mainly in automatic transmissions and I believe they are superior there. But, proper set up of an auto trans requires very precise use of depth mics for calculating shim requirements to keep clearances in spec. I believe that keeping the needles where they are supposed to be depends on that.

I suspect that when Torringtons are used in a Model T rear axle some may not fully appreciate the need for the close tolerances described above and if there is too much clearance or play in the diff carrier the needles can come out, with potentially catastrophic results.

I confess I have never seen any instructions on how to go about this modification. Do instructions exist or do those who make this mod just wing it?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Thursday, December 15, 2016 - 11:23 pm:

Yes, they do come with instructions.

http://modeltranch.com/show_product.asp?idProduct=31


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