1921 Scripps Booth not a dream Bud

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dallas landers on Saturday, December 17, 2016 - 01:08 pm:


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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dallas landers on Saturday, December 17, 2016 - 01:22 pm:

Power unit . Notice milage .
Scripps Booth cut down


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Verne Shirk on Saturday, December 17, 2016 - 01:53 pm:

Probably 20 years ago, there was one showed up on a used car lot on So. Broadway in Wichita, KS. It was a roadster but I don't remember the year of it. Why it was there I can't tell you. Don't know where it went. I believe the one in the first photo may be a Northway engine. It looks a lot like our Oakland engine.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dallas landers on Saturday, December 17, 2016 - 01:57 pm:

I think he said power unit is earlier and has a continental engin


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John C Codman on Saturday, December 17, 2016 - 02:07 pm:

Middlebury and Shipshewana where?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dallas landers on Saturday, December 17, 2016 - 02:10 pm:

Indiana. Almost Michigan


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Darel J. Leipold on Saturday, December 17, 2016 - 02:39 pm:

The description of the Scripps Booth auto has one error. General Motors did not purchase Chevrolet, it was the other way around. Will Durant controlled the Chevrolet Co. He was the person who started GM in 1909. With the help of Duponts from the Dupont Company, he bought enough GM stock to take over GM. GM was a subsidiary of Chevrolet until 1922.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dallas landers on Saturday, December 17, 2016 - 02:43 pm:


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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dallas landers on Saturday, December 17, 2016 - 02:46 pm:

Sorry for doubles


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kenneth W DeLong on Saturday, December 17, 2016 - 03:31 pm:

You do nice work Dallas,and i can't thank you enough!! If anyone should want to go to Emma there is also a very nice Ice Cream bar on the corner!If you and your friend try to get it started this summer i hope you send me a invite?? Nope i'm not much help but with the Ice Cream store,The warehouse,and the Essenhouse close count me in!! Good on ya Dallas!!! Bud in Wheeler,Mi.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Kelsey on Saturday, December 17, 2016 - 03:38 pm:

That is pretty neat. Thank you for sharing. The body looks like it is an amazingly straight condition.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Lynn on Saturday, December 17, 2016 - 03:48 pm:

Neat Car, thanks.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dallas landers on Saturday, December 17, 2016 - 04:24 pm:

The carb and vacuum canister will be biggest challenge I hope. The generator has a pot metal peice on the back thats toast. I had a fit withe my 27 chevy roadster vacuum canister .
He is planning on getting it running and driving soon.
If anyone knows anything about these cars we would love to hear from you


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kenneth W DeLong on Sunday, December 18, 2016 - 11:00 am:

bump. No message just back to top! Bud.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Les Sumner lapeer mi on Sunday, December 18, 2016 - 11:03 am:

This is the Scripps estate in Lake Orion mi.
scripps


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ed Baudoux Grayling Michigan on Sunday, December 18, 2016 - 11:09 am:

Please, get this car to Greenfield Village for the Old Car Festival.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ed Baudoux Grayling Michigan on Sunday, December 18, 2016 - 11:11 am:

Because Bud said 2016 may have been his last year. If this car is there, Bud may let me stop and pick him up on the way :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dallas landers on Sunday, December 18, 2016 - 11:13 am:

If we can get it running, that is the plan.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dallas landers on Sunday, December 18, 2016 - 11:16 am:

I was hoping to meet Bud there this next year! Now he has to go. No way out Bud.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary Schreiber- Santa Isabel Ecuador on Sunday, December 18, 2016 - 11:33 am:

What an awesome car !!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dallas landers on Sunday, December 18, 2016 - 11:44 am:

Gary it really is. The bevel oval glass in rear. Oil pressue guage. It is very solid. The doors close like a new car. The original cloth head liner in the top is still intact.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kenneth W DeLong on Sunday, December 18, 2016 - 12:56 pm:

Thank you Les,and once again we find the rest of the story!! This bump to the top was for a couple of doubting Thomas's who wanted pictures and have yet to reply to the work done by Dallas and Les.I'm sure some may know Les but if you don't,his T's make the Scripps estate look like a tent!!! Again i say thank you to all and i hope to make the OCF! Bud.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dallas landers on Sunday, December 18, 2016 - 01:22 pm:

Bud
Im sure Burger will chime in . Probably doing something twisted and against the law in his TT. Les thank you for posting. I was unaware of the Scripps estate. Now Bud peeked my intrest . Do tell!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dallas landers on Sunday, December 18, 2016 - 01:49 pm:

This is the carb on 21. I cant see a name on it. Anyone know what the make is?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eddy Lee Emerson on Sunday, December 18, 2016 - 02:10 pm:

Scripps-Booth was the largest user of the four cylinder Sterling engine. The same engine used in my 16 Monroe. I used three engines to put my Monroe engine together, so I have extra 4 cylinder, but nothing for a 6 cylinder. After suffering a stroke, my
Monroe was donated to the Enid region of AACA. Ed


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Eviston on Sunday, December 18, 2016 - 02:11 pm:

Dallas,I think that is a Stromberg,possibly an L series.I should do some more checking befire I expose myself,but here goes.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Strange - Hillsboro, MO on Sunday, December 18, 2016 - 02:14 pm:

Scripps Booth applications and repair kits


Year Engine Model Carburetor Type Number Kit
1914 2 10 HP
1915 4 120 C Zenith O-3.5 1663
1916 4 120 C Zenith O-3.5 1663
1916 8 162 D Zenith O-4D 1668
1917 4 171 G Zenith O-4 1537
1917 8 162 D Zenith O-4D 1668
1918 4 171 G Zenith O-4 1537
1918 8 162 H Zenith O-4D 1668
1919 4 171 G Zenith O-4 1537
1919 6 39 Marvel
1920 6 177 B Marvel
1921 6 177 B Marvel
1921 6 224 F Stromberg LS-2 A-7842 1560
1922 6 177 B Marvel
1922 6 224 F Stromberg LS-2 A-7842 1560

The information above came from this site:

http://www.thecarburetorshop.com/PkitS.htm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Eviston on Sunday, December 18, 2016 - 02:16 pm:

That is a Marvel.I stand corrected


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dallas landers on Sunday, December 18, 2016 - 02:16 pm:

Thank you Jim And Mark
Will check out site


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Strange - Hillsboro, MO on Sunday, December 18, 2016 - 02:18 pm:

Here is a link to their home page:

http://www.thecarburetorshop.com/


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dallas landers on Sunday, December 18, 2016 - 02:19 pm:

The owner said Oakland used same engine.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Herb Iffrig on Sunday, December 18, 2016 - 02:23 pm:

M any years ago at the swap meet in St. Louis there was a pile of parts that the vendor said was a Scripps-Booth car, There was most of the care there if I remember correctly. I think it was brought back a second time to the swap meet. I don't know what happened to it after that, but I might know who to ask.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eddy Lee Emerson on Sunday, December 18, 2016 - 04:47 pm:

Check the "Scripps- Booth Register" a newsletter published by Ken Kaufman. They have a list of all known Scripps-Booth owners. Might be a good source for parts. Ed


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bryce Putnam on Sunday, December 18, 2016 - 09:59 pm:

One of ore club members has a one of a kind Scripps- Booth a 1915 V8 powered speedster


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kenneth W DeLong on Sunday, December 18, 2016 - 11:01 pm:

Wow!!! Bud.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dallas landers on Monday, December 19, 2016 - 11:24 am:

Looks like ist flying just sitting there! Bet he could use front brakes.
Thanks Bryce


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kenneth W DeLong on Monday, December 19, 2016 - 11:50 am:

This like most of mine this is just a dumb question,but is there a modern mix in the picture?? It seem's very well made and advanced for the time? Dumb but well intended-Bud.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Burger in Spokane on Monday, December 19, 2016 - 12:01 pm:

Doubting Thomas's ? Nefarious goings-on in a TT ? Next thing
you'll say is the moon landing wasn't faked ! :-)

Interesting car. I like the sharp edges of the hood and cowl. Best
of all, I like the name ... no boring "FORD" or predictable "Chevy",
but a real head scratcher kind of name for all the idiots out there
today that know nothing about history.

Moon, Maxwell, Locomobile ..... What's that ??? :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Monday, December 19, 2016 - 02:34 pm:

I like the whole design of the car but I especially like the radiator shell,....very elegant and blends beautifully with the shape of the cowl. NICE!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dallas landers on Monday, December 19, 2016 - 03:00 pm:

Quite an arch in the lower windshield.
Very cool.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerry VanOoteghem - SE Michigan on Monday, December 19, 2016 - 03:23 pm:

Didn't know Scripps made such a large attractive looking car. Really cool to see. Thanks Dallas!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerry VanOoteghem - SE Michigan on Monday, December 19, 2016 - 03:32 pm:

Here's the Scripps Booth I remember seeing most as a kid, a 1913 Bi-Autogo. It's owned by the Detroit Historical Museum but was loaned for probably 20 years to the Owl's Head Museum in CT. It's now back in Detroit and is beautifully restored. (But still has the wooden tires on it that I remember seeing as a kid. (Gotta believe they could buy some real tires for it!!!)

(This is how it looked at Owl's Head, prior to its recent restoration)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kenneth W DeLong on Monday, December 19, 2016 - 03:36 pm:

Amongst other things i wonder if Mr's Booth and Scripps built the MC Manson with car money or if it was money that built the car? I still wonder about the engine in the speedster as to the fancy valve covers when the 21 runs in the dirt?? Bud.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dallas landers on Monday, December 19, 2016 - 04:29 pm:

Man that is just the perfect vehicle! I love motorcycles and cars. Old in both catagories. Ive heard of this bi-autogo but this is the 1st Ive seen one. Thanks Jerry


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kenneth W DeLong on Monday, December 19, 2016 - 04:41 pm:

It's been many years but i seem to remember cycle cars of one brand or another in the ACD Museum in Auburn,Ind. Bud.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dallas landers on Monday, December 19, 2016 - 04:47 pm:

Ive heard this bi-autogo was a flop but its still the most cool looking cycle car Bud.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eddy Lee Emerson on Monday, December 19, 2016 - 07:25 pm:

Kenneth - That is an original valve cover , but not an original engine. Each of those bolts on top the cover has a ball on the end. The rocker arm sat on top of the push rod and valve . The rocker had a cup in the middle ,The ball sat in this cup, the rockers were adjusted by loosening the jam nut on top the cover and turning the screw in or out to achieve proper adjustment {which had to be adjusted by ear] and secure the adjustment with the jam nut. I searched for years for a set of these rockers. The ones I bought turned out to be too worn to use. I eventually found a set of Massey-Furgeson rockers which could be made to operate the valves. The original rockers were invented by a Mr. Brush, I don't know if this was the same Mr. Brush that built the Brush car. Ed


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bryce Putnam on Monday, December 19, 2016 - 09:21 pm:

The Scripps-Booth Speedster was a prototype only one was made for the 1915 auto show the engine is the original engine from the car I was tolled that the engine was built by company that made them for off shore boat racing back in the teens, also it's a hemi!
This not the first time that it been on this forum
http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/506218/545289.html?1433098809
The car wasn't expected to be driven it didn't even have bearing in the read end the owner didn't fined this out until after our speedster run last April.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kenneth W DeLong on Monday, December 19, 2016 - 09:57 pm:

Again i say thank you and WOW!!! Bud.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dewey, N. California on Monday, December 19, 2016 - 11:25 pm:

Looking at the power unit, are the axles under it S-B? If so, there might be enough there to recreate another S-B?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dallas landers on Tuesday, December 20, 2016 - 06:05 am:

I believe they are David


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dewey, N. California on Tuesday, December 20, 2016 - 01:55 pm:

Dallas,
As rare as these are, and with one to compare too, I would think a restoration/recreation could be done. Springs can be made, the steering column/throttle-spark & horn button look almost exactly like the one on a '22 Buick here in town. Body metal is pretty straight-sided. It would be work, but you'd end up with another S-B. The frame and driveshaft would likely be the hardest part--but if that unit was made there, maybe the discarded parts are still laying about?
Oh, what's the fire truck next to it?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dallas landers on Tuesday, December 20, 2016 - 02:18 pm:

The firetruck is 29 dodge I believe. Local truck. He and I are both firefighters so we have a soft spot for fire trucks.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Warren F Rollins on Tuesday, December 20, 2016 - 03:30 pm:

Thanks for this posting. These are the types of cars I like best.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Eviston on Tuesday, December 20, 2016 - 03:52 pm:

Dallas,I believe a Dykes Automibile and Gas Engine Encyclooedia from the early twenties would be a valuable aquisition for you.I know my 1918 cooy has Scripps Booth information.
Back in the 90's,a good friend,rest his soul,was in the right place at the right instant.An old marina was being dredged.Old wooden boats had been allowed to rot and sink there.He got to looking in the pile of crap and found a Hisso aircraft engine and another early V8.He knew what the Hisso was because he owned the Delagrange Hisso race car.The V8 in that fabulous speedster sure looks like the other one.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dallas landers on Tuesday, December 20, 2016 - 05:26 pm:

Thanks Jim


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kenneth W DeLong on Tuesday, December 20, 2016 - 08:33 pm:

It would seem if only to me there is conflicting info about the Scripps Booth engine in the speedster? Is that a 110v outlet on the org gen on the 21? Bud.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dallas landers on Tuesday, December 20, 2016 - 08:59 pm:

How else would you charge your phone


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dewey, N. California on Tuesday, December 20, 2016 - 10:02 pm:

Dallas,
The Firetruck looks great too. Looks to be completely intact also. Most Firetrucks are fairly low-mileage vehicles; spend most of the time in the house and then usually only driven in town.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dallas landers on Tuesday, December 20, 2016 - 10:06 pm:

I was corrected by the owner. Its a 1931 dodge. David you are correct on milage. We had a 55 ford on our department and it only had 8500 miles. Polished the paint off but no rust.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dallas landers on Wednesday, December 21, 2016 - 09:46 pm:

Jim I told the owner of the SB about the book you suggested. He is looking. Nice card Bud! Nice car also. Now I know who Im looking for at OCF next year.


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