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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2016: Antifreeze
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Lloid on Wednesday, December 28, 2016 - 09:29 pm:

I run water in my model T s A s in the summer. Do most of you run antifreeze when storing in the winter or drain the engines in the winter?. It's been cold off and on her but it will be cold January and February. I have had many model A s and all of the model A guys say they drain them and let them sit. Should I just keep antifreeze in the T s all winter? Just asking what all of you do?? Tim


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ron in Central Massachusetts on Wednesday, December 28, 2016 - 09:38 pm:

Tim,

I run antifreeze in all of mine. In addition to peace of mind that I haven't forgotten to drain anything, it prevents further corrosion of already very thin water jacket galleys. If you do opt to use antifreeze, make sure you use "conventional" as opposed to "extended life." The new extended life antifreeze apparently plays hell with older gaskets (much written on this - Google it).


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Wednesday, December 28, 2016 - 09:41 pm:

I run a gallon of green Preston's and the rest water year around. If you use straight water your radiator will be junk in a few years.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George schmidt on Wednesday, December 28, 2016 - 09:57 pm:

Tim, I have been running O'Reilly's Green anti-Freez in my Model T's since getting into the hobby.

I purchase their full strength and cut it 50-50, cheaper. LOL


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George schmidt on Wednesday, December 28, 2016 - 09:57 pm:

Tim, I have been running O'Reilly's Green anti-Freez in my Model T's since getting into the hobby.

I purchase their full strength and cut it 50-50, cheaper. LOL


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rich Bingham on Wednesday, December 28, 2016 - 09:58 pm:

I run antifreeze because . . . it's freezing. 10 above now, it's warmed up some ! ;- )


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Strange - Hillsboro, MO on Wednesday, December 28, 2016 - 10:07 pm:

I do the same as Royce - one gallon antifreeze and the rest water.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Aaron Griffey, Hayward Ca. on Wednesday, December 28, 2016 - 10:08 pm:

If you run straight water and drain it in the fall it will still rust as it sits there all winter.i
I use a half gallon of antifreeze and the rest water.
I also add a small can of trust inhibitor.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Frost on Wednesday, December 28, 2016 - 10:22 pm:

Haven't got my T going yet, but I'm a fan of a 50/50 mix of antifreeze and distilled water in radiators.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Lloid on Wednesday, December 28, 2016 - 11:02 pm:

Thanks I will just use the green anti freeze in all of them like I do in my other cars then. I would rather do that than to have to get out their and waste time draining and refilling the systems in the colder months when I want to go for a short ride. I didn't even think about the rust issue, with the drained water. Thanks for everyone's opinions. Tim


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Lloid on Wednesday, December 28, 2016 - 11:03 pm:

I will use the distilled water as well. Thanks Tim


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Codman on Wednesday, December 28, 2016 - 11:57 pm:

I use 50/50 antifreeze and water. The water comes out of the tap I drink out of. I'm damned if I'm going to put better water into my car then into me. I'll betcha $100 that Henry didn't put distilled water into them.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Coiro on Thursday, December 29, 2016 - 12:39 am:

Soft tap water contains all kinds of dissolved lime and other garbage constituents which, given enough time, tend to solidify as a crusty deposits. _That's why coffee makers need occasional cleaning with white vinegar and my room humidifier needs its filters changed once a year. _Hard water is even worse. _It will joyously clog up radiator tubes, so as far as I'm concerned, it's a "no go."

Distilled water has no impurities at all, but the stuff does promote rust—another "no go."

Straight, 100% green antifreeze isn't a good idea. _Even the manufacturers, who would like you to use as much of their product as possible, recommend against such practice.

The exotic stuff like Evan's Waterless Coolant works, but requires a conversion ceremony to switch over from water-based coolant. _And for a car that tends to blow the excess out the overflow tube and then require an occasional top-off (perhaps along the way), this might be a too expensive, too fussy way to go—just my opinion, you understand.

For a black Model T Ford, a 50:50 mix of ordinary green antifreeze and distilled water is the simplest, least fussy way to go. _As needed during the driving season, just add either distilled water to it, or in a pinch, soft tap water. _At the end of the driving season, drain the system, discard the coolant (in a Politically Correct manner, of course), rinse out the system with soft tap water until the water drains clear and then fill the system with a fresh charge of 50:50 antifreeze and distilled water. _I don't leave the system empty and dry over the winter because I suspect that would promote rust and rust-flaking.

Diluted or not, green antifreeze tarnishes the heck out of brass, so if your radiator neck leaks (like mine does), it's a good idea to make wiping up the little neon pearls a part of your post-flight ritual.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Freighter Jim on Thursday, December 29, 2016 - 03:56 am:

Does anyone install a sacrificial anode in their cooling system ?

Freighter Jim


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kevin Whelihan Danbury, WI on Thursday, December 29, 2016 - 07:24 am:

I run a 60/40 antifreeze/water mix with a water wetter type of product. It can get awfully darn cold up here at times and my poor car sits in an unheated garage. Never had a problem with over-heating on the hottest summer days either. If I didn't live here in the "frozen tundra" I would just use the standard 50/50 mix. So far, so good. No problems.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Rogers - South of the Adirondacks on Thursday, December 29, 2016 - 09:56 am:

According to Burger you can put whatever you want in your radiator and you'll be ok because it's your car. I used to believe that a 50/50 mixture of water and ethylene glycol was correct but thanks to him I know now that I can put whatever I want in the cooling system.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rich Bingham on Thursday, December 29, 2016 - 10:55 am:

Tim, you and Burger take it outside and spare the rest of us, please.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tommy coffey on Thursday, December 29, 2016 - 11:17 am:

How much is distilled water at Dollar General or Family Dollar? About $1.00 a gal? I think I'll use it instead of tap water. How much does a 1921 T hold, total?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rich Bingham on Thursday, December 29, 2016 - 11:32 am:

Model T holds about three gallons. To add to speculation, this same discussion ran in one of the Packard Club publications 15-20 years ago. As I recall, a corrosion specialist offered that distilled water was more prone to cause corrosion than "regular" water, something to do with ions and such. At that time, a Red Line product called "Water Wetter" was found to improve cooling somewhat, just as an antifreeze solution slightly retards water's ability to transfer heat. Re/ distilled water, I think much depends on the quality of your tap or well water. Some areas of the country, the water could be more actively corrosive than in other areas, or precipitate all kinds of mineral crud to eventually foul up the radiator. I don't know how "bad" chlorinated water may be, it seems chlorine hastens precipitations in "hard" water.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tommy coffey on Thursday, December 29, 2016 - 11:37 am:

We use a Britta (or some filter) for the water we drink. Wonder if I should just use filtered water in it?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Thursday, December 29, 2016 - 11:42 am:

You should not under any circumstances use pure distilled water in your engine. It causes severe corrosion. Plain tap water is very, very bad, distilled water is worse.

Either can be perfectly acceptable mixed with anti freeze in the correct dilution for the expected temperatures. Tap water can contain solids that can clog things if you have a crappy city water supply.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rich Bingham on Thursday, December 29, 2016 - 11:52 am:

I'd think filtered tap water and antifreeze would be the ideal "solution" ;- )


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Larry Smith, Lomita, California on Thursday, December 29, 2016 - 12:02 pm:

A word of caution if you have a brass T. Anti-freeze will stain your brass, and is next to impossible to remove, therefore I use water soluble oil.


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