Lost a Washer in the Transmission....

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Alan Crane (Acrane) on Thursday, January 16, 2003 - 10:17 am:

Well, I was changing the band springs on my transmission and I managed to drop one of the washers down into the recesses of the transmission. What is tbe best way to get it out?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael Pawelek-Brookshire,Texas (Michaelpawelek) on Thursday, January 16, 2003 - 10:41 am:

Alan, I do not remember if the washer is smaller in diameter than the drain hole but if it is you can try this, I did this for a cotter pin I dropped recently. Drain the oil and then put another empty collection pan under the drain. Pour the oil quickly into the inspection hole so that the rush of oil washes the washer out the drain hole. It workd for me. If the washer is attached to one of the magnets you might try slowly turning the engine over and inspecting with a flashlight, as the washer rotates to the top you might be able to grab it with the proper tool...Michael


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Huson (Modelt12) on Thursday, January 16, 2003 - 10:50 am:

Alan:

There is no best way to get a dropped item out of the transmission. Some of the ways that I have seen guys do is:

Put rags in the transmission and turn the motor over.


Use a magnet with a FLEXIBLE handle


Drain the oil and stick your finger up in the drain hole and see if the washer is under the trash container cover, if it is under the cover leave well enough alone. I know of two cases like that and the cars have been run for years and years with no problem.


Pull the inspection plate off the oil pan and try reaching in from the bottom. I saw a guy drop a 1/2 combination wrench in the transmission one time and that was the only way we could get it out.

None of these work very well.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By howard sigler (Hts102) on Thursday, January 16, 2003 - 04:43 pm:

Alan: Try to wash it down like Dave said; Then what I did was push a stiff wire up thrugh the drain hole and out the top of the tranny. Then I bent the other end around the washer and twisted it to make a loop with the washer hanging from it, this may be tricky but can be done. Then just pull carefuly out. It worked for me. Good luck.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By R.V. Anderson (Rvanderson) on Friday, January 17, 2003 - 01:17 pm:

That's a good method. If you can use a piece of light uncoated braze rod it works a lot easier than an equivalent steel one. Closing the loop around the washer is an excellent precaution.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Joe Jeffers (Santaclaus) on Friday, January 17, 2003 - 02:42 pm:

I used an air hose one time and it worked.
You need to rig up a long tube on the end of the nozzle and run it down in the tranny and blow away. Start at the back.
Joe


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Alan Crane (Acrane) on Monday, February 24, 2003 - 11:09 am:

Well, I finally had a chance to pull the hogshead off and used a bunch of the methods above, and guess what? No washer! I don't know what the heck happened to it, but we checked everwhere and it was nowhere to be found. Any Ideas?

Alan


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennie Kirkpatrick (Kirk) on Monday, February 24, 2003 - 11:26 am:

It might be sticking to one of the maginets, I would be very careful about turning the engine overe, and I would use the crank and not the STARTER.

kirk


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Alan Crane (Acrane) on Monday, February 24, 2003 - 11:41 am:

Hi Dennie,

Tried that and it was no where in sight. I've actually driven it since I lost the washer and had no problems or strage noises.

Thanks,

Alan


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennie Kirkpatrick (Kirk) on Monday, February 24, 2003 - 12:48 pm:

If it is surely in there and it gets lodged between the field coil ring and the mag plates, it will lock up the engine and no telling what other damage it will do. Good luck.

kirk


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken Swan (Kswan) on Monday, February 24, 2003 - 03:43 pm:

Alan, pull the inspection pan off the bottom of the crankcase and take the two retainer rings out and feel around in that area and even up close to the front main. The removal of those rings is a good exercise anyway since a lot of unauthorized crud gets built up behind them and should be purged once or twice a year on all cars. IMHO if you are certain that a band spring washer is in the crankcase, and the car was mine, I would continue to look inside the transmission, it will tear up jack if it gets in the right spot. I managed to find an errant cotter pin once on the top of the mag ring right where the post comes into contact with the mag ring. It in fact had shorted out the post and the car stopped running faster that it would have if the switch had been turned off. I was lucky. Don't push yours. Good luck, Ken Swan


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Alan Crane (Acrane) on Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 11:24 am:

Ken and Kirk,

Thanks for the advice. My problem is that I have no clue where this thing could have gone. It was not loose in the pan or in the bottom of the crankcase. It was not stuck on a magnet in the magneto. We felt all over the inside of the case with our hands and a flexible magnet. I am just stymied at this point. I'm starting to think it might have slipped out the drain hole when I drained the oil and I didn't catch it. Anyone have any ideas?

Thanks,

Alan


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Alan Crane (Acrane) on Monday, March 03, 2003 - 08:40 am:

Problem Solved!

I pulled the inspection pan off of the crank case and low and behold the errant washer was sitting on it! I had this off once before and it was not there. Thanks for everyone who offered help.

Alan


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Lowell Spicer (Bobo) on Monday, March 03, 2003 - 01:52 pm:

To anyone doing band work there is a tool #t3419t available from your parts supplyer that halds the band washer and nut so that you can'tloose anything in the engine. drop the whole works and pick it up with your fingers. I never touch the nut or washer without this tool.About 22 bucks.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken Swan (Kswan) on Monday, March 03, 2003 - 05:49 pm:

Alan, what did I say! What did I say! Did you pull those retainer rings out and clean the unauthorized crud out when you had the inspection plate off? Congratulations on saving the engine/transmission. Ken Swan


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