Couple of questions today: Did all Model Ts have babbitt thrust washers ? Next question has to do with opening the deck lid on a Model T runabout: Do most of you just use your fingers to open the lid? I don't have a key for the lid to use as leverage so I just use my finger nails. Is there a better way?
Since at least 1915, some earlier T's likely had bronze thrust washers. And aftermarket bronze thrusts were available in the 'teens.
Deck lid lifts easy with a key, without one, yep, finger tips or screwdriver tips.
There apparently was a stretch where bronze thrust washers were used from the factory, though I don't know what years/months that occurred.
As to opening the deck lid, whatever works best I guess. You could buy a key if that would help you.
The parts catalogs show babbitt thrust washers only. All years. The thing is there are ten other things that can fail and trash the whole works too.
My 26 Roadster deck lid will not open at all
without the key.
Regarding the thrust washers, Part # 2528
I have an original 1916 parts book and it lists the thrust washer as bronze. The picture shows spiral grooves. But, what does the factory know.......
When I got my pretty original early 1916 touring earlier this year, I took the rear end apart and found bronze thrust washers. I found the same info Bill did, that there was a short time in 1915-16 when Ford was using bronze thrust washers. I've never seen them on any earlier model T.
The Encyclopedia says that bronze was used until 1915 and babbitt thereafter, but that is not correct. To add to what Kim said, here is the 1/1/13 parts book entry which lists it as being babbitt. Note that the later catalogs use the word "metal" instead of babbitt or bronze.
Small Allen wrench with some tape wrapped around the long end for a handle
Of course these are all just opinions...
I wonder if Ford was offering a replacement bronze washer in the 1915 parts book. I have an earlier parts book that calls out a pair of Babbitt washers.
In any case, the washers are only one of the things in the rear axle that can kill you. John owns a 1912 that I took the rear end apart on 10 years ago, nearly every part inside it was junk except the original Babbitt washers which I threw in the trash in Cincinnati that day. John also owns the '14 cutoff touring that Ross Lilleker rebuilt the rear axle on a couple years ago.
The current issue is John's 24 runabout, which is a year when any and all Ford parts books call out only Babbitt washers. Again, the washers are only one thing that can just plain kill you inside the rear axle. The pinion bearing is the next most likely thing to be junk, and the roller bearings are also usually ruined. The driveshaft bushing and universal joint are typically trash, as are the axles and U - Joint.
I've had pretty fair luck finding usable differentials, only one out of the ten or so that I've rebuilt was unusable. I have not found many other usable parts in 90+ year old T rear axles. Only an occasional roller bearing and sleeve have been usable, safe parts from my experience. An axle shaft here and there.
My book says they were metal from late 08 to 27. Both my dog and
cat agree, concur, and say the same thing.