What are the "fibers" in fiber type grease?

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Wednesday, January 11, 2017 - 02:19 pm:

Quite often, certain grease applications, like wheel bearings for instance, specify,... "fiber type grease". So, exactly what are the "fibers" in that type grease and what are the advantages of such "fibers"?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Menzies on Wednesday, January 11, 2017 - 03:23 pm:

I have forwarded an email to the tech committee at National Lubricating Grease Institute in MO, I will post their response.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By john kuehn on Wednesday, January 11, 2017 - 03:34 pm:

I've wondered about that myself.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ALAN FAIRCLOUGH from Houston, TEXAS on Wednesday, January 11, 2017 - 03:35 pm:

navel lint


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Chris Landry, Hudson, NH on Wednesday, January 11, 2017 - 04:06 pm:

I do remember packing bearings with that stuff. I don't think there are actual fibers. I think it is named that because of the tendency of the grease to form fibers when pulled apart.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Marv Konrad (Green Bay Area) on Wednesday, January 11, 2017 - 04:10 pm:

I believe Alan....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dale Peterson College Place, WA on Wednesday, January 11, 2017 - 04:54 pm:

Oils are long chain hydrocarbons. The longer the chains or the more the cross linking between the chains, the thicker the oil or grease. Fibrous greases are ones with long chain hydrocarbons with less cross linking, giving it a "fibrous" appearance.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ted Dumas on Wednesday, January 11, 2017 - 05:55 pm:

Fiber greases used for wheel bearings will turn to soap in the presence of water.' Use a modern grease and forget about fiber greases.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George Mills_Indian Rocks, FL on Wednesday, January 11, 2017 - 08:21 pm:

Harold,

With all due respect to others and their equally valid alternate answers, I typically reach back into the industrial anthropology library to look at era type definitions. I came up with the following...what it was called in 1920, what it was made up of, etc. As others have pointed out...its really just a clingy grease at the end of the day.

You wanted to know about "fiber grease" and it would be great if someone could come up with a current exact NGLI number...but like Pittsburgh won't reveal the original Dixler formula in a modern equivalent for no apparent reason other than to avoid litigation...I wouldn't hold my breath.

For grins and giggles as they say...below is the 1920 'generally accepted thesis' on the subject




Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stephen, South Texas on Thursday, January 12, 2017 - 08:38 am:


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...'generally accepted thesis'...



If that's the case, folks should be using 0W-10 motor oil in their Model T engine.:-)

I know this was hashed over years ago but the 'Engine Oil' paragraphs caught my eye. Ford called for a light oil. The above describes light oil as 50-150 @ 100*. That's machine oil and falls in the 10 weight and below scale of the SAE equivalent.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Larry Smith, Lomita, California on Thursday, January 12, 2017 - 09:54 am:

I still use the old fiber wheel bearing grease in my cars. It isn't easy to find any more, but Sta-Lube still makes it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Menzies on Friday, January 13, 2017 - 10:34 am:

From the tech at NLGI.
In terms of lubricating grease, the word fiber generally refers to the interlinked molecules of soap thickener in the grease, the component that gives grease its characteristic consistency. Some manufacturers refer to the thickener as soap fibers. Some soap thickeners, especially those based on sodium and barium soaps, tend to produce greases with a smoother texture. Modern greases do not contain what are typically thought of as materials, such as cotton or wool.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Menzies on Friday, January 13, 2017 - 11:08 am:

I missed a line:
In terms of lubricating grease, the word fiber generally refers to the interlinked molecules of soap thickener in the grease, the component that gives grease its characteristic consistency. Some manufacturers refer to the thickener as soap fibers. Some soap thickeners, especially those based on sodium and barium soaps, tend to impart a somewhat fibrous texture to the grease, while those based on calcium and lithium soaps tend to produce greases with a smoother texture. Modern greases do not contain what are typically thought of as fibrous materials such as cotton or wool


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