I know we have discussed (argued about?) jacks supplied with the Model T toolkit before but I’m still a little fuzzy about a few things. Here is a photo of a Buckeye jack I recently acquired, marked “07A.” Is this a Model T jack and if so, what year? Also, some questions I am wondering if we have ever reached a consensus on:
What years did Ford supply Buckeye jacks? Did it start in 1913? What year(s) were the Buckeye jacks with the block lettered “FORD” issued? What jack followed the “FORD” labeled jack? Was it identical but without the “FORD?”
The one you have pictured isn't a Ford model. The one with the block letters Ford is. I don't think there is any data at the archives on the Ford jacks, and when the Buckeye jacks were last used. My guess is most likely 1914 is the last year for Buckeye and Fords. The one I've had difficulty with is the 25-27 jacks. A standard T jack is 10" in the down position, but if you have 21" wheels and a flat tire, the jack will not fit, but the photos in the late T parts books seem to indicate it was 10". Then there is the debate on the flip top jacks! Oh well.
These Model T jacks I carry in my cars are very common. I don't know when they began, but the encyclopedia says the pressed steel jacks that replaced them began in 1925. I don't recall actually seeing one of those personally. They must have a lousy survival rate.
This should be an uplifting topic.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
We pulled a few jacks out of the family parts barn and I have no idea what is T or A or other. I'll post some photos to add them to the mix.
That's what I use too, Steve. I just like the way they look and work. I'm a sucker for mechanical do-dads and the more exposed moving parts, the better.
I use the special TT jack:
Thought that was a pump at first glance.
These are some of the ones I got. Can't feel any markings on them at all. I've also got a rectangular lever action jack that is stamped steel, that I presume must be later. I think I got it in my WWII jeep.
Would any of these three be period correct for a T?
Robert I think the ww2 jeep jack looks just like the outer ones in your pic not sure of the size
Okay, take a look at this one. It is exactly like the "FORD" marked Buckeye Jack number 00, except it does NOT say Ford. Was this one part of the toolkit for awhile? If so, how long did they supply the Ford marked jack? (I know this is a hard question and may be impossible to research.) I have assumed that this jack is correct for 1913-14 toolkits. And of course: the wood handle on this is not correct.
Did any of these Jack's have a convex base originally? So many seem to today. Did the casting draw upon cooling or is it from repeatedly being pushed off the jack rather than lowering it first?
I use the one that came with an '86 GMC pickup. Not period correct, but it could have been made for the T
Hal, I believe they were all flat bases. I found a cast one like those Steve posted. It still had an almost complete coat of black paint and absolutely no wear where the gear runs on the stem, so it was as new. The base was flat.
If you find one which is curved, be sure to use red heat when straightening it. The cast iron ones will break if bent cold.
Hope this helps.
Allan from down under.
The jack that Rick posted is exactly like the Ford jacks I have. I got a Ford one not long ago that had all bad springs in it. As I recall, there are three. I borrowed a jack like Rick pictured above to make new springs. Today, it's a nice working jack. And just for the record, they were painted silver!
Here is an image from the February 1912 Ford Times. It says No. 03:
Here is another ad for the Buckeye Jack No. 03:
Rick, what makes you think the wood handle is not correct? Look at the bottom left of the page and order a dozen of No. H3 for all your friends...
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Any idea what is the third item on the first page shown above? With the JOEY-MELL name.
David The answer is here - from 2014 - http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/411944/430784.html?1395145625
Jacks?.......we don't need no stinking Jacks!
I thought it looked like it could be a whistle of some sort. I couldn't determine just how big or small the item is in the ad photo.
What could possibly go wrong?
Here's my 2 cents.
Ford didn't include a jack early on. Buckeye offered the 03 for sale, and advertised in the early Ford Times. Kim Dobbins has an 03 with "Ford Detroit" on it, and had one he sold about a year ago. But those are the only two marked ones I am aware of. The photo is from Kim.
In 1913 Ford offered a jack as part of the included tools. The 00, marked Ford. It is a lighter weight jack than the 03. The tool list indicated a separate handle. It is the silver one in the photo
Somewhere around 1915-16, the "one piece" jack (integral handle) like Steve Jelf has pictured above became standard--until the pressed steel jack around 1925.
I didn't know Buckeye used a wood handle. I assumed they all used the steel handle like Charles'es photo above. So, now I'm wondering which jacks came with the steel handle. If most of them were wood, that would explain why most of these jacks are missing a handle. They either wore out quickly, or were lost.
I have personally seem a letter at the archives in which Ford announced to their dealers that for 1913 Ford was going to supply a jack and for open cars a top boot. Ford also stated in that letter that the dealer could make a requisition for jacks and tops for any car shipped after October 1 of 1912 but not for any car shipped before that since those cars were not 1913 models.
I'm wondering if the larger jack of Kims wasn't made for the model K? Many jack handles have been lost, and replaced with wood.
I wonder if the metal handle might have been so it could be operated with a foot rather then kneeling and pumping with the hand?
I always thought the metal handle might double as a tire iron...
No one has mentioned Jack Putnum or Jack Daron yet
Why, ... do they have wood handles too ?
I think that Buckeye advertised a wood handle in the pre-T era which could fit with your jack. Pretty sure that it's an aftermarket item though...