26 Roadster tear down going well

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gerald Blair on Saturday, January 14, 2017 - 09:25 pm:

Just a few more pictures of the tear down.

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Duey_C on Sunday, January 15, 2017 - 07:47 pm:

Gerald, that's gonna be pretty!
Sidetracked mind: That's a cabinet radio under that little gas can ain't it? Like that too. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gerald Blair on Sunday, January 15, 2017 - 08:16 pm:

Yes it is. That is another one of my hobbies old Radios, Clocks, Phonographs, even have a few teletype machines to work on when I get the time. A Lady form church gave that to me and said she listened to it when she was a little girl. She liked the shortwave and listening to the other languages. That is next on the list after the Model T.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By arnie johansen on Monday, January 16, 2017 - 01:21 pm:

Gerald:

When you took the turtle deck off, did it have four bolts in the base part of the structure? Also did it have any fasteners holding it to the body on the surface that you have laying on the floor in one of your pictures above? The reason I ask, it is believed to be early models did not have the two fasteners located in the vertical section of the back of the body on each side.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gerald Blair on Monday, January 16, 2017 - 06:22 pm:

I had 14 bolts holding the turtle deck to the base and cab and the best I can tell there are 2 bolts and six screws holding the bed to the frame and cab.

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gerald Blair on Monday, January 16, 2017 - 06:31 pm:

I hope to get back on it later this week and get the bottom section off. I am not sure if the side slides into the tail coming off the cab or is it is attached somehow. I do not see anything holding it and it does not look like it is welded. I guess I will tear into it and see what happens.

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Duey_C on Monday, January 16, 2017 - 06:53 pm:

Whoa. That's a lot of fasteners and that's very interesting! A bit different from my '18...
That'll feel good to get that cleaned up and stop any further deterioration won't it?
Now where's that LIKE button? ;-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By arnie johansen on Tuesday, January 17, 2017 - 11:22 am:

Gerald:

The two vertical fasteners on each side by the seat backrest, indicate to me that you do not have a very early 1926 vehicle (that would have been produced in calendar year 2015, (probably August or September--do not know for sure!).

Yours seem to have more fasteners holding the bottom section than what I have seen in the past. Perhaps Donnie Brown would like to comment!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gerald Blair on Tuesday, January 17, 2017 - 07:55 pm:

I think from the SN on the engine and frame it was built June 7 1926. I am new to looking this up but think it is correct.

It does not look like I can remove the bed part from the cab. I started removing the six screws at the front of the bed and noticed some rivets in the cab corners. All of the bolts except one holding the body on the frame came off and it is carriage bolt under the seat that is set back a little and harder to get to. I might have to weld a nut to the top of it to hold it while I get the nut off under the car.

Would anyone know about how much the cab on this would weigh?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Spencer Vibert - Granby ,CT on Tuesday, January 17, 2017 - 08:00 pm:

about 450 lbs I just took the body off the frame so it can be painted next week


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By arnie johansen on Tuesday, January 17, 2017 - 08:06 pm:

Gerald:

Thank you for confirming production in the later part of 1926 models. The "bun" panel also looks like a latter edition. The fact that your turtle deck has the two vertical fasteners on each side (total of four) also points to a latter production vehicle!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By arnie johansen on Tuesday, January 17, 2017 - 08:09 pm:

Gerald:

I also forgot to mention that the spare tire carrier is mounted to the body by three or four bolts depending on when it was made.

Since yours is a late 1926 perhaps the floorboards have clips that hold them in place.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Lloid on Wednesday, January 18, 2017 - 07:40 pm:

My rough old 26has the floor board clips that holds the floor in place also. My 27 doesn't have them, now I know why. Thanks Tim


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By arnie johansen on Wednesday, January 18, 2017 - 09:22 pm:

Tim:

Now I do not understand!!!

I thought that the change was to add the clips to keep the floor boards in place. That would mean new vehicles would have had them. You indicate that your 1927 does not have them!

Could you please take a picture of the area where the floor boards meet the side of the car where the split is between the the floor pedal slots. That may not describe it correctly, but a picture of the sloping metal on the passenger or drives side by the edge of the floor board may show us if your vehicle may have a hole or a rivet that once may have held the clip that rotated on the rivet to keep both of the sloping floor boards in place!

I am not sure, but this may have been a safety feature so that the boards did not come up when going over bump and blocking proper operation of the pedals.

If your 1927 has original metal sides to support the floor boards and does not have the clips, that may change our whole view of this change!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gerald Blair on Thursday, January 19, 2017 - 05:41 am:

Here is a picture of mine.

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By arnie johansen on Thursday, January 19, 2017 - 12:24 pm:

Gerald:

Thanks for posting that picture. However, Tim indicated that his 1927 does not have the floorboard clips. This brings up a whole new question, as it was thought (at least by me) that it was a running change and that the floorboard clips would be in all 1927 models. Now I do not know!

I hope Tim posts a picture of his 1927 and if it does not have the clips, and it is an original, we now have another question about when the floorboard clips came about!

Arnie

P.S. A few years ago another person told me he had a 1927 touring without the clips. I was able to look at the vehicle and it did indeed have the clips which made me think they were in all 1927 vehicles.

Another question for Tim if his 1927 does not have the clips is, is it possible that a early 1926 body was installed on a 1927 frame sometime in its life? If it is a 1927 frame the engine number should be stamped on it. That would prove it was a 1927 frame. As far as the body perhaps Donnie Brown could identify what year it was!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By arnie johansen on Sunday, January 22, 2017 - 07:45 pm:

Tim:

Can you provide a picture of your 1927 in the sloping metal area where the floorboards would fit like Geralds prior photo? We now have a "loose end" (were they used in all 1927 model vehicles???????????) as to the hold down clips for the floorboards for the 1927 model year vehicles based on your findings.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gerald Blair on Saturday, February 04, 2017 - 06:21 pm:

Well got it off the frame today. Was looking at it and trying to coordinate a few people to help and thought I can do this by myself and there it is. Now I need to find some help with the front axle, the lower holes are striped and needs the insert installed on the axle. After that I will tear into the rear axle.
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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Strange - Hillsboro, MO on Saturday, February 04, 2017 - 07:04 pm:

Nice body dolly! :-)


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