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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Scott Batta - Dayton, Ohio on Sunday, January 22, 2017 - 03:22 pm:

Is this a '26 front engine mount? What does a '25 and earlier look like?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Frank van Ekeren (Australia) on Sunday, January 22, 2017 - 03:33 pm:

21 to early 26 and the late 26/27 had a small threaded hole in the front for the apron.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace, North FL on Sunday, January 22, 2017 - 05:01 pm:

Pictures of that '26- '27 mount with boss with threaded hole for securing the radiator apron.



Note hole is filled with dirt, but you can see that boss. Don't use the similar TT part, it is longer threaded stems, and larger, as the nut that fits the TT mount is same as rear axle nut.


'26-'27 apron

(Message edited by Dan_Treace on January 22, 2017)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Scott Batta - Dayton, Ohio on Sunday, January 22, 2017 - 06:45 pm:

Thank you.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Barker - Dayton, OH on Sunday, January 22, 2017 - 07:27 pm:

Scott - Pre 21 motor mount:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hap Tucker in Sumter SC on Sunday, January 22, 2017 - 07:57 pm:

Frank -- just a clarification, typically the 1921-1925 "model year" cars would not have the threaded hole. Ref: http://www.mtfca.com/encyclo/E.htm#eng6

It was added when they added the hole in the radiator apron for the screw to hold the apron so it would not rattle as much. The 1921-23 cars did not have any radiator apron, the 1924-25 cars had a radiator apron but did not have a hole for a screw and the 1926-27 model year cars had the hole for the screw. (Ref Bruce McCalley page 324. Factory photo page 326 shows the "Y-yoke" on the 1923 cars. (Note the MTFCI Judging Guidelines indicates it was introduced with the 1924 model year cars, but the factory photo on page 326 it was introduced at least for the 1923 model year cars.

Scott -- it can get a little confusing sometimes. Your Coupe with the doors hinged at the front and with the high radiator and high cowl is considered a 1924 "model year" car. And just like now days the new models come out during the fall of the previous year, Ford USA started producing the 1924 model year cars around July 1923 ref: http://www.mtfca.com/encyclo/P-R.htm#rad

And at: http://www.mtfca.com/encyclo/1921-25H.htm Bruce shares:

In June 1923 the entire Ford line was restyled somewhat and this new series was referred to as “1924 models” in Ford parts lists. The Centerdoor Sedan and the Coupe with the front-opening doors were discontinued. These were replaced with the two-door Sedan (called “Tudor”) and a new Coupe with doors that opened at the rear. Both these cars were based on the same design and many parts were interchangeable. The four-door Sedan (called “Fordor”), Touring and Runabout were given the new “high” radiator and larger hood that was a feature of the Coupe and Tudor but were otherwise little changed. The general restyling consisted of the following changes:

The height of the radiator was increased.

The firewall (called the “dash” by Ford) was made larger and the body cowl section was modified to match.

A new and larger hood made the front of the car appear much more massive.

New hood clash strips to mate with the wider hood were installed.

An apron was added below the radiator. This apron covered the front motor mount and frame, adding a more finished look to the car.

The front edges of the fenders were given a lip which matched the lines of the radiator apron, adding further to the finished appearance.

The new Coupe was described as follows by the Ford sales department:

New rear fender curving outward at end with rear fender apron bolted to sill of body.

Ventilator in cowl operated by quick action lever under the dash.

Windshield visor supported to body by two steel rods. Has pull-to brackets on lower side of windshield frame.

Bottom windshield does not open.

Upper windshield is wider and lower windshield is narrower, bringing the division and the rubber strip below the vision of the driver.

Seat divided. Gas tank opening under right half of seat.

Check straps on doors are rubber.

Revolving door window regulators.

Inside door latch and regulators nickeled.

Pull rods on doors eliminated. New arrangement on window sill (embossed finishing strip).

Turtle back rear deck with increased carrying capacity.

Upholstery of soft brown cloth with mahogany stripe. Head lining plain brown mixed.

Yale lock on right hand door.

Inside lock on other door.

Rear side windows operated by rod and knob.

Silk curtain on rear window. No curtain on side windows.

Curtain brackets nickeled.

Broad, square back window, stationary.

Battery held in bracket under rear deck and is accessible through trap door of rear compartment.

Door handles black with nickel trimming.

Top of body covered with leather.

Anti-rattling device on both doors. Slot in frame with steel piece in door which fits in the slot.

Heavy covered hinges on doors.

Recess shelf at back of seat for carrying small parcels.

Doors hinged at front.

This new Coupe was quite a change from the previous design. In addition to the items mentioned above, the turtle deck was now an integral part of the body. Note that the doors opened at the rear (hinge in front).

But many states would title a Model T sold new in 1923 as a 1923. Not to mention some states didn't title cars. But if you order any sort of radiator, hood, hood shelves, body parts -- be sure to use the 1924 model year.

Respectfully submitted,

Hap l9l5 cut off


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Frank van Ekeren (Australia) on Sunday, January 22, 2017 - 08:28 pm:

Hap, my mistake, I was thinking our T's, Canadian early 26 did not have the apron bolt, well mine hasn't anyway but my 27 has.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hap Tucker in Sumter SC on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 07:41 am:

Frank,

Thank you so much for that clarification. And of course with a small sample size of 1 -- it may or may not have applied to other 1926 Australian assembled from Canadian part Fords. Yet another item to check.

The Australian (as well as other countries) often made changes a little later than the USA. And yes, Canada sometimes made them sooner -- i.e. the 1920 introduction of the slant windshield and one man top. And when the "Improved 1926 Car" was introduced in the USA, Australia continued to produce the Geelong Model T a little longer. And from memory -- that's dangerous -- I believe the Australian Ford assembly line introduced some of the 1926 model year parts (i.e. the engine with the wide transmission pedals and wider brake band and/or the lowered front axle spindles over a period of months rather than all at one time with the introduction of the 1926 style bodies. I don't have time to look that up at the moment -- but if you or someone else knows -- please confirm or correct that.

And of course the Australian bodes used the Canadian 1926 model year panels but was nailed to a wooden skeleton rather than the all steel structural body Ford USA & Canada used.

Respectfully submitted,

Hap l9l5 cut off


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Larry Smith, Lomita, California on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 09:08 am:

You need to take your picture from the other side!


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