Here's one of my favorite Old Photos I posted back in April of 2013.
Here's the link to that thread. It turned out to be a great discussion. Check it out!
Great picture and check out the cars and machinery. Tim
Great picture. I had no idea 'combines" went back that far. My Grand-dad was still pitching bundles into a separator powered by a Case steam traction engine when this picture was taken.
Beautiful. Half the reason I come to the forum is for these old pictures.
Jay, why do you continue to ruin this forum with such great pics?..This is why we can't have nice things.
That is just too perfect.
Imagine getting all those farmers to take time out of their busy day to " pose " for a photograph.
Simply Beautiful !
During the winter, these guys set up lifts and operated the Mount Kansas Ski Area.
Miscalculations of vertical drop led to few skiers, and the resort was closed in favor
Kansas is mighty pretty - pretty flat.
I have a T from kansas. Its so flat there the E brake rods were removed. Really, thats the only thing missing!
I had that one as my screen saver for quite a while.
Best regards, John Page, Australia.
Once again a big Thank You to Jay for taking the time to post all the pics we all love. This one is also one of my favorites, but I like them all, and never miss clicking on a new one. Jim
Jay the pics really make the forum more interesting. Thanks Tim
If you didn't take time to go read all the comments from before, this is a publicity/advertising photo for the Gleaner combine which mounted on the Fordson tractor. Gleaner also used Model T engines on some models, advertising that parts were readily available in the nearest town at the lowest possible prices.
Combine = combined harvester and thresher. Prior to the development of the combine, small grains were cut with a Binder, which gathered the cut grain into bundles, tied them with binder twine and dropped them on the ground. Later, the bundles were "shocked" or "stooked" with a pitchfork by hand and allowed to dry in the field. Later the bundles were loaded into a bundle wagon and hauled to a stationary threshing machine that separated the grain from the straw and chaff. Combines reduced the manpower needed for harvest by at least half, returned the straw to the field to be plowed under for mulch and reduced the time needed to harvest a crop greatly. Today, combines cut up to 46 feet in one swath at 4 or more miles per hour, cutting more grain in an hour than this entire operation could have cut in a day or more.
Here is a "colorized" version. Some may like color, others may not. A friend of mine did this for me when the first thread was running. Took her a long time to do it...
Stan, you may be interested to know a combine in Australia is a machine which combines tilling the soil, planting the seed and fertilizing all at the same time. Your combine is a header down here.
Allan from down under.
One of my best friends is currently in Australia working at a sheep station a couple hundred miles west of Melbourne. He is a driver for the owner's various ranches and mostly spends a lot of time on the road hauling Ute sized loads from one place to another. They are fairly close, maybe a couple hundred miles apart except for one that is quite a bit further away. He has been learning that the Wyoming name for most things is different in Australia.
Here, the part that cuts the grain is the header and the rest of the machine is called the combine whether it has the header on it or not. The headers are so big that they are easily removed and have their own trailer to haul them from farm to farm or field to field. We have very few fences in farm country anymore, partly because the gates would have to be 50 feet wide to move the combine header through it to the next field.
Farming has changed a lot in the last 25 years with the switch to chemical no-till or minimum-till farming from the days of summer fallow and working it up to kill the weeds.
Stan,Did the early Gleaner's use model T engines?? Bud.
I drove through Kansas once. It is so flat and looks so much the same everywhere that from that time and on it has become "fly over" country. I grew up in the mountains and I feel secure being surrounded by the hills. In Kansas, I feel very insignficant because it is so flat and the horizon is so far away. Anyway, thank you for growing the grain and animals which I like to eat. I also know some people who are insecure in the mountains because they feel overwhelmed or think the mountains are going to fall on them!
I think the Fordson powered one was first and a year or two later the T engine powered one came out. I believe the T powered one had a 6 foot header, it was a pull type as opposed to the Fordson design.
The Fordson design was a good idea, the tractor just didn't have power enough to run all that and still pull it through the field. There are a few of those in museums around the country. I tried to buy one at an auction a few years ago, it ended up in a museum somewhere -- or so I heard.
That is where a lot of the Waukisaw Recardo heads come from, the combines when they went to self powered machines. An Allis Chalmers combine on my uncles farm scrap heap had one.
The engine used in some of the combines had no transmission, just a heavy flywheel/clutch assembly and was mounted on a heavy crankcase. Those usually had a Recardo head.
But some used the Model T engine complete and just had the pedals removed, the reverse and brake holes plugged and a handle bolted to the clutch arm. The ones with no mag on them used a Matco mag drive. They are good engines to find because they usually had only a couple weeks a year use and the Matcho drive is nearly always just like new. Hard to find any more.
That's computer-desktop worthy. Beautiful shot.
This is what the combine looked like new.
The original ads said the new Fordson/Gleaner could cut an acre of grain for every mile of travel!!
Jay - One of my favorite "T" photographs!
Reading thru' this thread is typical of why I enjoy this forum (just like it is, by the way) and how it is so entertaining as well as a wealth of Model T information. This particular thread entices me to make a whole bunch of non Model T related comments (which I won't,....well, maybe just a couple) because like Steve Jelf says,..... when you get old enough, everything somebody says reminds you of something else!
I always learn a lot from Stan Howe's explanations ref farming, ranching, farm equipment, and Lord knows, a whole bunch of stuff Stan has known, done, seen or heard. In this case, the term "header" reminds me of when, long ago in another life, when I was a detail draftsman for International Harvester at the IH Advance Engineering and Research facility in Hinsdale, Illinois. Somehow, I remember how some of those engineers discussions about "corn heads" on farm machinery somehow was related to the appearance of a '51 Studebaker. (I'm sure that only a few on this forum can relate to that however.)
Also, Burger's mention of "Mount Kansas Ski Area" sounds like an "oxymoron" to me!
And Norms mention about how different topography "appeals" (or doesn't) to different people. When I worked in the Milwaukee Roads police department in Montana, I worked with a fellow that had transferred to the "Rocky Mountain Division" of the railroad from the midwest. He came from a farm family, and he absolutely hated the mountains in Montana. He used to say,.... "I hate mountains; look at all of that totally useless area!" And then there's my wife and I who think there's no more beautiful scenery than mountains,.... ( unless you can combine a view of some water like lakes, streams or the ocean with mountains.)
Okay, just one more that comes to mind from another forum thread I just read whereby the Model T is sometimes thought to be a "chick magnet". Well, with just a few "chicks", this may be true, however, by and large, I think men, expecting the Model T (or any car) to be a chick magnet, makes about as much sense as a woman, expecting things like her hand-made quilts, her hair style, and her jewelry attracting men!
Okay, enough! I said I wouldn't let this turn into a "ramble",.... harold
I remember vividly the day in 1953 when we got our first combine, a 6-foot pull-type Gleaner. It was a "left-hand" cut machine which meant that it traveled counter-clockwise around the field. We then cut the stubble for baling with a tractor-mounted mower (right-hand cut) in the opposite direction which allowed the mower to cut all of the downed stubble from the tractor and combine tire tracks. Many Gleaners were sold in this area because of the left-hand cut. They were galvanized rather than painted. Today we John Deere owners fondly call them the "silver seeders"!
Boy,can you imagine the amount of dust the driver of that combine ate? A bunch.
By eating dust, the driver did not have to stop for lunch. Just one more angle
on operational efficiency !
Kansas outlawed mountains with the 1833 Plains Act and all holders of property
with more than 24" of vertical rise were ordered to remove it.
It appears that the 1st driver has a pait of goggles or possibly a resperator hanging around his neck.
Fred, the driver of the first combine was probably not too bad on dust but I'll bet the guy running the back one couldn't breathe for a week after a couple of days sitting in that contraption.
My wife gets a kick out of one of my favorite sayings... "Flatter 'n pee on a platter."
Gary,....Some time during a hard, steady rain, tell her,....."it's rain'n like a cow pee'n on a flat rock!"
"Be sure to eat every carrot and pee on your plate".
Who needs grammar ?
About 40 years ago, I think I remember my ex-Father in Law using a Gleaner Combine inline 6 cylinder engine in his corn grinder on a 1953 Chevrolet truck chassis. Is that possible? At the time he was trying to get by with whatever worked so anything he used had a pretty good chance of being put together with whatever he could make work.
I had a Gleaner E-3 i think a 1968 with the Chalmers 4 but the same combine with the chevrolet 6 was the model K. I think the models F and K both used the Chevy six until diesels came along. Bud.
Thank you Bud. It always seemed odd to me that he was able to just bolt it right in. I know once he got it running it never left the farm. His son might still be using it. I haven't been there for many years.
I have pitched bundles in thrashing separators also shocked, two bundles at a time by hand but if you were afraid of rattle snakes you used a pitch fork I ride high wheel bicycles, the ones with the big wheel in front and a little one in back and if you think Kansas is flat you have never rode one of them across Kansas.
I was fortunate enough to be able to help on a wheat threshing with the 5 Points group in Perrysburg, OH a couple summers ago. We used a friend of a friends Case L, and another friends thresher and Chevy truck. It was a whole lot of fun for the 15 minutes or so it took us to thresh the wagon load of wheat we were given.
Here is a picture from that day. Looks kinda like the OP's picture. ;)