What Year is This T?

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2017: What Year is This T?
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Chuck Lebeda, Humboldt, SD on Wednesday, March 08, 2017 - 10:29 pm:

Can anyone identify what year this T is from the photos? Motor number is 234164; which is March 1913. Title states it is a 1914. Thanks, Chuck

Brass T

Brass T

Brass T


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Wednesday, March 08, 2017 - 10:31 pm:

'13,....???


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Wednesday, March 08, 2017 - 10:34 pm:

....difficult to see the side of the body from only front and rear views, but the side of the body and door sure look like '13 to me!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Chuck Lebeda, Humboldt, SD on Wednesday, March 08, 2017 - 10:40 pm:

Harold: Pass and Driver side views.

Brass T

Brass T


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Lenney Glenn on Wednesday, March 08, 2017 - 10:46 pm:

It's a 1914.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Wednesday, March 08, 2017 - 10:58 pm:

Engine has probably been changed. It's a good thing, the 1913 engine can be sold for Noe than a 1914 engine will cost.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Chuck Lebeda, Humboldt, SD on Wednesday, March 08, 2017 - 11:03 pm:

The engine has a starter that supposedly was put in when previous owner was too old to crank? So trany may be newer? Could 1914's be purchased with a starter??


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Wednesday, March 08, 2017 - 11:16 pm:

No. Ford first made cars with starters for the 1919 model year. The 1913 engine must have a 1919 or later hogshead to accommodate a starter. I assume there's no generator, as the 1913 block is not made for one.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Wednesday, March 08, 2017 - 11:36 pm:

Well, they sure don't look like '13 doors now,...especially in that bottom photo. Yup! '14 for sure,....'13 doors are square at bottom and entire square door opens on '13 only. Great pictures by the way,.....harold


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Tomaso - Longbranch,WA on Thursday, March 09, 2017 - 11:07 am:

Another tell-tale sign between a '13 & a '14 is the windshield - '13 folds forward w/straight support arms whereas the '14 folds rearward w/bent supports arms for the w.s. frame to clear as you pull it towards you.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Dimock, Newfields NH, USA on Thursday, March 09, 2017 - 12:25 pm:

Motor replaced and the old serial number put on it?
The guys need to see pictures of the motor.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Coiro on Thursday, March 09, 2017 - 12:47 pm:

The the back-folding windshield with short windshield braces in combination with the round-corner doors are all consistent with a '14.
Really nice looking car.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Chuck Lebeda, Humboldt, SD on Thursday, March 09, 2017 - 12:58 pm:

Steve. Yes, no starter.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Chuck Lebeda, Humboldt, SD on Thursday, March 09, 2017 - 02:45 pm:

Okay, here are the pass/drivers sides of the engine. I can live with a 1913 engine in a 1914; unless someone wants a 1913? Note bottom radiator hose; it must be from 1914?

Engine

Engine


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Frank van Ekeren (Australia) on Thursday, March 09, 2017 - 03:19 pm:

That's a 14 on the block casting date.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Wrenn-Monroeville OH on Thursday, March 09, 2017 - 03:37 pm:

If it's a '14 cast block, then someone bought it and ground the numbers off to match the title numbers when it was a genuine '13 engine. That boss looks awfully clean. And Royce...you missed the horn upside down!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Wrenn-Monroeville OH on Thursday, March 09, 2017 - 03:40 pm:

Chuck, that hose has nothing to do with a 1914. Some sort of Rube Goldberg setup. Should have the typical black steel pipe.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Dallas TX on Thursday, March 09, 2017 - 04:09 pm:

Good catch by Frank so the block is 1914, just the serial number is not. Maybe that block was used as a replacement for a 1913 block with the same serial number. Who knows.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Tomaso - Longbranch,WA on Thursday, March 09, 2017 - 06:41 pm:

Torpedo horn isn't it ?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Chuck Lebeda, Humboldt, SD on Friday, March 10, 2017 - 03:33 pm:

Everyone:

Thanks for all your help on this car ID.

Chuck


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