This week forum member Tim Wrenn asked me to check front fender brackets on my original 13 for him. I took some pictures and forwarded them to him.
When you look at them on the car the paint looks black. When I uploaded the pictures the paint looks blue. Were they blue, or is the camera picking up pigment? I'm not well informed on brass cars, but I don't ever remember seeing an all blue 13. I have seen all blue 12's. My car was a Nov/1912 built car, and has many 12 parts on it. When Larry Smith and RV Anderson were here during the 2016 MTFCI Tour, they spent a lot of time looking the car over, and found many unusual and odd things about this car.
Find a hidden area and do a solvent or compound test with a white cloth. If blue (or whatever else) it will be obvious on the cloth.
Thanks Dan! I'll be watchin' for them! Wow, that sure does look blue, doesn't it. Another of the many Model T mysteries.
put some shellac on it and the color will pop. alcohol will take it back off.
Tim, I sent them yesterday, I just sent them again. Let me know if you don't get them.
Walter, I tried compound without positive results on the body.
Brian, I will have to try it.
What was the result?
Walter, I used a fine polishing compound on the body itself, no actual color showed up. I also did a spot under the hood, as its aluminum the paint is in better shape. It shined up, but appears to be black.
When I get it out this year I will try a spot under the fender where I took the picture.
Thanks Dan. I'm waiting in physical therapy now..won't be able to look until around 10 when I get done with other errands.
Regardless of whether it's black or blue, you should have the color appear on the white cloth. It sounds as though you may be working through a layer of clear varnish. The degradation of a layer of clear varnish over the actual color will also distort what you see with your eye.
Looks black on my screen mixed with rust.
In the encyclopedia Bruce says blue was used from 1911 to "early 1913". So I would guess whether this car is black or blue depends on when during the model year it was made. Of course we know that the blue on Model T's was so dark that it looked black except in direct sunlight.
The inside of the hood on my '13 still has the original paint on it. I have rubbed it, and it appears black. The only thing I've ever seen blue on is the wheels. I'm painting my '13 runabout at the moment, and I'm using a very dark blue, which appears black in the shade.
have a 13 also. Mine also has aftermarket electric headlights exactly like (even though I can't see all of the light) the one shown. There is no markings at all on mine and I would appreciate any information anyone can post regarding these lights. I have never before seen lights such as these and know NOTHING about them. Thank you,Lenney
Lenny, The headlights aren't aftermarket.They are E&J's, 1912 Style, as are all the other lights.
This car also has the early frame, and the early think sills, no body reinforcement provisions. Early front fenders, large patent plate, no made in USA on anything except the radiator. Early tail light bracket, one piece pan retainer. Knurled throttle and spark advance rods. 12 horn, Jones speedometer, Kingston coil box. 12 drag link, 12 timer cover, cast knob on the fan bracket, screw type plug on pan and rear end. Windshield with even sized halves, cast carburetor stove, slotted screws holding the steering column base. 1912 dash shield and guide. Seats are all leather. 1912 exhaust manifold, and early body stripeing. This car still has the original top, top boot, front floor mat, side curtains, and rear rug.
Larry Smith and RV Anderson came up with a list of other oddities.
This is a very unusual and interesting car.
I also have an early 13 touring with the 12 style frame. It also has original brass style head lamps.....other lamps are black/brass. The color under your fenders looks blue to me on both my computer screen and monitor.
Les, I have seen a few pictures of 13's when new that had 12 lights. One in particular that I think Jay posted full of people that really shows the lights, but I couldn't find it.