Help ID frame. I'm keeping this one.

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Robert Brough on Saturday, March 25, 2017 - 11:37 am:

Probably be next speedster project. Pie wagon? Depot Hack?
Anyway, my earlier projects used frames that did not have this bracket up by the hood shelves. Riveted on, not bolted, so presume factory.
Motor dates to 24. Is this a 24 frame as well?

Seems complete but only one running board bracket across the front, rear is missing. But battery cable support, battery box and hold downs, etc. Hope to get the motor running and start another project with it.

Thanks in advance.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Sims--Reed City,Mich. on Saturday, March 25, 2017 - 11:52 am:

26 or 27. the bracket you mention was only used these 2 years. The rear cross member would be different also.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Wrenn-Monroeville OH on Saturday, March 25, 2017 - 01:14 pm:

24 motors never had the coil box mounted on them.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kevin Matthiesen on Saturday, March 25, 2017 - 01:53 pm:

That coil box looks like another one of those early style 1926's, with the two bolt mount instead of three bolts, but I can't tell for sure.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace, North FL on Saturday, March 25, 2017 - 02:10 pm:

Agree with Jim

'26-'27 frame. Suspect your front cross member has been changed, many have as the front member takes a lot of abuse from the spring and motor weight.

Here's a '26, note the big fat non-factory rivets, as this cross member has been changed. Sketch of '26-'27 frame.






Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Donnie Brown North Central Arkansas on Saturday, March 25, 2017 - 03:25 pm:

Robert, can you post a pic of the other side of the coil box. or does the coil box mount with two head bolts or three head bolts. Thanks ....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Robert Brough on Saturday, March 25, 2017 - 09:01 pm:

Hmmmm... sounding more and more like a Frankenframe. Front crossmember is bolted into the side frame rails, not riveted. But, some other possible mismatch or a transitional from from one year to another?
Engine is serial number to Sept. 24. The frame rails by the motor have the hood shelf brackets riveted to them. The one remaining running board bracket is riveted. The battery box frame is riveted to the frame except for one bolt connecting the negative ground cable. The rear crossmember does not have the lower lip or flange to it. There is no serial number that we can find after light sanding on either the passenger side by the ebrake yoke or on the drivers side by the engine under the fender mount. It is a 4 dip pan, but not the two hole dog ear hogshead.Coil box attaches with three head bolts.

Frame salad?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Robert Brough on Sunday, March 26, 2017 - 10:29 am:

If the hood shelf brackets were only a 26/27 thing and I'm confident they are original to the frame, does that etch it in stone that this is a 26/27 frame? Is that the Rosetta stone on this frame? Then, why no stamped number?

If a Ford dealer installed an earlier engine in this car in later life, would they be obligated to grind off the engine number from the frame?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace, North FL on Sunday, March 26, 2017 - 11:42 am:

Yes. Your frame is actually an early '26, the Improved Car came out Aug.1925. The earlier Improved car frame never had serial engine stamps, as those came along late Dec. 1925.

This earlier frame features the wide rear cross member without flanges on either side, just straight sides.

Riveted battery box is typical, some were bolted on, depending on assembly branch methods. The bolt hole for the battery strap is standard.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace, North FL on Sunday, March 26, 2017 - 11:48 am:

And...zooming in on the rear axle, the backing plate has the earlier design 'clips' to hold the rear brake shoes. Should have standard oil drain hex plug, as the later '27 rear housings had pipe plug with square hole to remove.

So, the frame is early '26, front cross member replaced at some point. And at some point an earlier engine installed, but the installer left on the Improved Car water outlet with fan assembly, and left on the Improved Car coil box to boot!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Robert Brough on Sunday, March 26, 2017 - 01:07 pm:

And, for what it's worth . . .

we got the darn thing started today!


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