Sorry, to place this on the Model T Forum but I found this Model A on line and the seller claims it's a Shay replicate. Looking at the photos, it has the original Model A engine and the dash is not configured like the Shay replica.
Can any Model A owners confirm my observations.
eBay item number:112409321322
Erik, thanks for the EBay listing. This is the car I was writing
About. It appears to be an original model A, not a Shay.
It's a Shay with a transplanted Model A engine and transmission.
Notice the gas tank in the rumble seat compartment and dozens of other oddities.
Also - read the description.
It looks to me like someone got a Shay body and put it on a real Model A chassis. I first saw this and thought some nut went to the trouble of putting a real Model A engine in a Shay but when you mentioned it I went back and noticed NO Shay front suspension and No Shay rack & pinion. Weren't Some Shay bodies left over when the company quit production?
It looks like someone took a fiberglass Shay body, put it on a genuine "A" chassis and came up with this mish-mash.
what Howard said!
Weird Someone tried to turn an original Shay Replica of a Model A into A true A by replacing the Pinto engine that was original to the Shay with an A engine.
I looked at the photos again and it does look like a Model A front axle so it probably is a Model A chassis as others have said.
You can buy a Model A fiberglass body. bottom line it is still not a Shay.
George - I have owned various Model As for 40 years and currently own a stock 1929 roadster. This car is very unusual. The body is absolutely a Shay reproduction, it had all of the odd features - incorrect interior, top, lights, door handles and the bumps in the rear quarter panels. It appears that someone has taken the Shay body and mounted it on an original A chassis. I can see the original axles, drive train and steering column. It appears to also have mechanical brakes, I can't see any brake lines at the wheels.
Basically they created the Frankenstein monster of Model As. There are many good quality fiberglass (and steel) roadster bodies available, I don't know why someone would do this. I am also curious if is titled as a Shay (1980s) or an antique... That could be a factor for insurance as well.
Stock Shay cars have a limited market to begin with. Those buyers will stay away because of the antique drivetrain. Actual Model A buyers will stay away because of the quirks and inaccuracies of the Shay body and features.
Who knows, at that price they may be able to snag a victim. Lots of "collectors" out there.
Shay is the only body I've ever seen with the gas tank behind the seat so I still believe it is a body produced by Shay.
There used to be a company in Oregon that built reproduction A bodies out of fiberglass, roadsters and others. I saw one and if you didn't know it, it looked original. Yes, you'd have to put a real A gas tank in it, they didn't do the gas tank! This was some 30 years ago and I forget the name. Once upholstered it was really hard to spot, they even replicated the inner panels.
A car built with parts which otherwise wouldn't be used. A parade-type fun car. A LOT of work has been done here. If not a originality stickler, you could have fun in this car. A real Model A with a replica body.
I'm going to assume it was done at a time when the Roadsters were more expensive than a junky sedan and the guy who put it all together was named Dr. Frankenstein...
That really looks awful!
That is one strange looking puppy. It has a Model A chassis and running gear, the wheels are 5 lug, the Shay had 4 lug. As others have stated, there are other issues that are dead give-aways. I think it is really strange that the body is 30/31 style but the cowl is 28/29 style. The rear deck is also very long and looks bad. The gas tank has been located in the cowl, you can see the fuel line coming out of the firewall.Frankenstein would be proud.
The earliest Shays were five lugs and original Model A wheels. I knew a few guys who moonlighted at the plant. The wheel supply was one of their first problems.
The first Shays tried to resemble the original Fords. Then the compromises started. According to the guys I talked to, they were considering larger molded assemblies to simplify the fits. The front fenders, splash aprons and running boards were eventually going to be molded as one. I don't know if they ever got there.
The cover photo is actually flipped on their brochure and they did some air-brushing to make it look right.
Too if only me the great part of a Model A is the sound and pulling power of the engine. Of course i think it was a move in the right direction but all that extra wireing needs to go and it will never rust out on the lower side of the cowl.My Wifes 29 town sedan is very heavy but low gear is seldom used! Bud.
You just got to love those fuses!
Shay body and other shay part why would anyone want it ?