Never Can Tell What You Will See When Out Driving a "T"

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Killecut on Friday, May 26, 2017 - 09:29 am:

I put a couple hundred miles on the 24 Tuesday. You never can tell what you will see on back roads. I ran into this Amish barn raising. I enjoyed watching them, and some of the Amish were asking me about the T. The kids wanted to hear the horn as all kids do. On the way back home I got a picture of the days progress.







Must have needed the extra weight to hold the horse back.



Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill Everett on Friday, May 26, 2017 - 09:39 am:

Wonderful pictures, Dan!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Wrenn-Monroeville OH on Friday, May 26, 2017 - 09:42 am:

Nice pictures Dan! Great that you got them, and that you had such a great day to tour. Amazes me the work ethic of these folks.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Freighter Jim on Friday, May 26, 2017 - 10:29 am:

Dan,

Great images !


Freighter Jim


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Friday, May 26, 2017 - 11:03 am:

Traveling through amish country in Pennsylvania several years ago I was impressed by some of the best-looking farms I've ever seen. It was an interesting irony to see horses pulling motorized farm equipment.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Gumbinger, Kenosha, WI on Friday, May 26, 2017 - 11:12 am:

Funny thing, but I don't see any OSHA approved fall protection equipment on those guys up on the roof!

Keith


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Franko on Friday, May 26, 2017 - 11:16 am:

This Labor Day Ohio Jamboree will be held in Amish country. Looking forward to it ! Tim


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Seth - Jefferson, Ohio on Friday, May 26, 2017 - 11:23 am:

And I'll bet all the ladies were all over at the house making one of the best meals you could have anywhere, Setting up big long tables with all types of food and deserts. Best meal I've had. (sorry Mom)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By thomas elliott nw pa on Friday, May 26, 2017 - 11:31 am:

Great pictures! Thanks for posting. We do hear some folks complain about the Amish at times but there is always something to learn and remember.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Eyssen - Abilene TX on Friday, May 26, 2017 - 03:25 pm:

No need for OSHA, those folks know what they are doing!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ed in California on Friday, May 26, 2017 - 03:29 pm:

Do they still have to apply for building permits?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Chad Marchees _____Tax Capital, NY on Friday, May 26, 2017 - 04:05 pm:

Dan, great pics, just beware that the Amish aren't fond of photos. Obviously you stayed far enough away to hopefully respect them, but just so you know.

"Because items such as personal photographs can accentuate individuality and call attention to one's self, they are prohibited from the home. Moreover, the Amish believe that photographs in which they can be recognized violate the Biblical commandment, "Thou shalt not make unto thyself a graven image."


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Friday, May 26, 2017 - 04:06 pm:

If the world runs out of gas or if the internet is hacked or the electric power grid goes down, the Amish will still be able to go along. We could all take some lessons from them even if we don't live that way, the skills they have developed would be good for everyone to learn.
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Darel J. Leipold on Friday, May 26, 2017 - 04:08 pm:

In what state? Penn.,Iowa, Iowa and Minnesota all have Amish areas.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Darel J. Leipold on Friday, May 26, 2017 - 04:10 pm:

I meant to list Wisconsin.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Killecut on Friday, May 26, 2017 - 05:53 pm:

Glad you all enjoyed the pictures.

Chad- I'm aware of the photo issue. Years ago, I gave Noah Stutzman's children or grandchildren a ride in my Model T. I asked Noah about taking a few pictures of them in the T. He said take as many as you like, just not there faces. I had 7 Amish children in my T. Now they are not suppose to be proud. As we drove past their friends farms, they were waving like crazy to their friends, so much for pride. It was really cute. Tuesday as I was talking to some of the ground workers, I had my camera out and took the pictures of the horses and wagons. I didn't try to photograph them, and they never mentioned it. Some how I did get a picture of the kids without realizing it. I din't post that one out of respect. The woman were all in the side yard getting the food set up.

Darel-this was North of Mexico, NY


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don - Conroe, TX on Friday, May 26, 2017 - 06:03 pm:

Spent some time in and around Reading, PA about 20 years ago for work and was delighted at how stunningly pretty the Amish farms were.

These are great photos....thanks for sharing.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Darel J. Leipold on Friday, May 26, 2017 - 06:56 pm:

Thank you. About 30 years ago, the more prosperous Amish farmers near Medford, Wisconsin sold their farms and bought land in SE Minnesota near Lanesboro. There is now a well established Amish area.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Henry Petrino in Modesto, CA on Friday, May 26, 2017 - 07:04 pm:

Dan,

I'm curious how much time there was between the 3rd photo (the one with all the guys on the roof) and the 5th photo (the last one).

Were they taken on the same day? If so, amazing progress. We could certainly take some lessons in organization and "stick to it" from those guys.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Warwick Landy Traralgon Australia on Friday, May 26, 2017 - 07:09 pm:

Thanks for sharing these amazing pictures Dan. In my workplace I must fill out paperwork to identify what hazard might cause me to injure myself before I start a job. If I was on that worksite I would never be able to start work as I would be doing paperwork all day!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Killecut on Friday, May 26, 2017 - 07:45 pm:

Henry, I took the photos the same day. I took the first ones at about 10:30 am and the last one about 3:30pm. There were more workers there than the photos show. I don't know how they determine their quitting time, but more than half the work force was gone when I went by at 3:30. Maybe it's determined by the distance they have to travel.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Killecut on Friday, May 26, 2017 - 07:52 pm:

Warwick, that's worse than here, I didn't think that was possible.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dallas landers on Friday, May 26, 2017 - 08:03 pm:

Dan great photos. Their schedule of work depends on their chore time. If they are milking , that job wont wait. I live in a large Amish community in Lagrange county. They are great organisers of a workforce. You should see an Amish wedding. Its nothing for them to feed 1000 to 1500 people in a barn or tent.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Killecut on Friday, May 26, 2017 - 08:07 pm:

Ed, I missed your question. I think if they are rebuilding an existing structure possibly not, but new from scratch i'm sure they would.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Killecut on Friday, May 26, 2017 - 08:21 pm:

That makes sense, thanks Dallas.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Chad Marchees _____Tax Capital, NY on Friday, May 26, 2017 - 09:22 pm:

Warwick, we are required at my workplace to fill out that kind of stuff too. More so for the service technicians. It's called a JSA (Job Safety Analysis). I am amazed at the staggering amount of paperwork into one job, it's really amazing any work actually gets done. But on the flip side, they want everyone to go home in one piece with no injuries.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dallas landers on Friday, May 26, 2017 - 09:44 pm:

If I had to fill out paperwork for all the things that could injure me in construction, I would be to scared to get out of the truck in the morning!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Henry Petrino in Modesto, CA on Friday, May 26, 2017 - 09:46 pm:

Dan,

Very interesting. Thanks for the reply.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dallas landers on Friday, May 26, 2017 - 09:47 pm:

The last line of a JSA should read" and an airplane engine could fall from the sky and injure me"?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Warwick Landy Traralgon Australia on Friday, May 26, 2017 - 10:23 pm:

Dan, "working at heights" is one of the most regulated and policed actions of work in industry in Australia. The lack of harnessing, elevated work platforms, scaffolding, fall arrest systems would never allow this project to proceed. Even if I was Amish, I still would not be able to proceed with construction unless I complied with all of the local building and construction OH&S rules and requirements.Life was much simpler once but also more dangerous?? Great pictures.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Lloid on Friday, May 26, 2017 - 10:33 pm:

Great pictures. That got I knocked out. Tim


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Killecut on Saturday, May 27, 2017 - 08:17 am:

Here are a couple more interesting pictures.
They had three flat bed wagons, like the one on the right. There was a heavy rope down the middle of the wagons length wise that the horses are tied to. Only two other horses were tied separately.
The wagon is their version of a pickup truck. I've also seen these in different lengths and box styles.

Warwick, Very interesting. The difference with this project is it's a community volunteer project, so it wouldn't be regulated. The Amish have businesses that do work for the "English", I don't know how that works. Seeing them on those projects, I don't see anything different in how they are working.




Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Walter Higgins on Saturday, May 27, 2017 - 08:56 am:

In many areas around here the difference in whether or not you need a permit is your zoning and who you know. They may still require a permit in the sense of, "Write the Township a $200 check", but it doesn't come with all the hassle and expense of inspections and design approval. If you are "agricultural" you can get away with pretty much anything you want. If you want to build that same structure where you are "residential" (even if you have acreage) you will need permits, plans, and studies.

My place is only about seven acres and is "rural residential". I would get run through the wringer for a project like that. I also can't put my place into land preservation (could if I had three more acres). People around me with 15 acres pay far less in property taxes than I do for 7 acres. I have other neighbors with 40+ acres that are "agricultural" and they could do what the Amish are doing in your photos.

Buying a farm is the ticket if you're a car guy. For the sake of round numbers, a friend of mine bought a 40 acre farm. He turned around and put about 2/3rds of it into land preservation and I think got about 35% of his purchase price back in the form of a check and lower property taxes. He then put up a new pole barn (steel sided, overhead doors, nothing old looking) with no inspections, permits, or water runoff studies simply because he is a "farm". It's the hot ticket if you have the nugget to bite off that initial chunk.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gene Carrothers Huntington Beach on Saturday, May 27, 2017 - 05:34 pm:

So they weren't shooting a movie episode? Sorry

I grew up close to the Amish in NE Iowa. Yes very Fine farms.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Scott Gilham Bellflower Ca. on Saturday, May 27, 2017 - 05:45 pm:

My question, If all those horses don't have license plates how to you tell them apart? They look to be all close to the same color with close to the same rigging. Just a city boy question.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Seth - Jefferson, Ohio on Saturday, May 27, 2017 - 07:00 pm:

Scott G.

I lived on a dairy farm and when your around your animals not only do your know the breeding blood lines of every cow you know them by name, milk production records, who the sire or dam was and can tell one cow or horse (had horses too) apart very easy. They all have their own little quirks.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dallas landers on Saturday, May 27, 2017 - 07:26 pm:

Scott, think of it like this. You would know your car or truck in a parking lot. Horses are their vehicle.
I have a stud workhorse colt at my place for my Amish neighbor. He brought some Amish fellas over to check it out. They were talking about that horse like we would about a model N. The power and width in the chest,stance and how straight he stood, the shape of his but, the color of hair well you get it. No need for a plate.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill Robinson, Salty Bottom, AL on Saturday, May 27, 2017 - 09:52 pm:

Take a look at this motorized (sort of) Amish hay wagon that I videoed while in the Poor Boy Tour a couple of years ago.

https://youtu.be/LF0OhEcnKHo


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dallas landers on Saturday, May 27, 2017 - 10:15 pm:

Very cool Bill. My neighbor pulls a 4 cylinder, diesel power unit in front of a Claas round bailer. The horses struggle with the weight, but he uses a skid steer to pick up the bails and load them on a wagon. He wet wraps most of his hay. I have been around Amish most of my life and still dont totally understand them. Cant use a tractor in the field but they can run other equipment with it in the barn yard. Cant have air filled tires on equipment but the skid steer and bicycles can have air in the tires. They cant have electricity but they have a diesel generator in the phone shack by the barn to power milking equipment and coolers. I dont get their religion but they are great folks as neighbors.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Killecut on Monday, May 29, 2017 - 09:05 am:

We drove another 200 plus miles on the 24 yesterday going to the Norwich car show. Very hilly terrain this time. It ran perfect all day and took the hills easily. This is the first time I have checked the gas mileage. I was very surprised to get a little over 25mph. That's the best I have ever gotten with any of my T's, especially in the hills.
There were at least 10 T's at the show





My favorite car at show. Lincoln



Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Strange - Hillsboro, MO on Monday, May 29, 2017 - 09:42 pm:

Impressive mileage and great pics, thanks Dan! :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson, southern Sweden on Tuesday, May 30, 2017 - 04:02 am:

Great mileage - maybe you can tell about what's in the engine? All std or Z head etc?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Killecut on Tuesday, May 30, 2017 - 06:23 am:

Roger,The engine and transmission have been balanced. It is 30 over, has a Chaffin's re-ground cam, White's 7.5 timing gear, Prus Head, Patterson coils,NH carburetor, and a Ruckstell.
I have the same set-up on my 14, with the exception that it is 80 over and has a Z head. But that only gets around 18 mph.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Killecut on Tuesday, May 30, 2017 - 06:30 am:

Another difference between the two is the 14 has a Holly G carb on it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Strickling on Tuesday, May 30, 2017 - 08:26 am:

Back to the Ohio Jamboree over Labor Day weekend.
Sponsored by Tom Moorehead's group from KY

The greatest concentration of Amish is in Holmes and adjoining counties in northeast Ohio, (THAT IS WHERE THE JAMBOREE will be) about 78 miles south of Cleveland. Next in size is a group of Amish people in Elkhart and surrounding counties in northeastern Indiana. Then comes the Amish settlement in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania.


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