I am putting together a 1923 Touring (low cowl) form parts and pieces from various sources. Progressing very slowly, health issues. I am doing the rewooding using plans I purchased from Leon Parker. Most things are close to the dims. shown on the plans. But, now I think I have another problem. I may have doors that are not from a 1923. When I put the in the door openings, they seem to be a bit short (up and down), maybe up to an inch. the hinges were loosely attached to the doors. When I temporarily attached the other side of the hinge to the steel pillars, the holes lined up (kinda).I seen in various catalogs that the doors are different for 1926-27. different for a 1913 and still others for 1915-1925.
NOW MY QUESTION: Could someone measure the outside dims. of rear doors for a 1923 Touring. I suspect that I will need new door skins.
Thank you, Paul in Tacoma
the overall dia. 15-25 all the same. even 14 rears. charley
Paul, there were different body manufacturers (at least 3), perhaps there's a difference in door dimensions.
Steel Pillars, 1923 pillars were wood. Recheck your dimensions, does your sheet metal fit your wood frame? Something seems amiss here. Charley is correct about the doors.
Plans from Leon Parker (Miller plans) have the steel pillars, which I have installed in the correct location. I have a straight line between the mid point of the dummy door to the aft. of the opening rear door. I am guessing that I could make up some height when I make the door wood and re-bend the skins and/or re drill the hinge mounting locations. I will just move on to other stuff until I/we figure it out.
As Charley says, the 1915-25 doors are all the same. Maybe I have '26-'27 doors, or maybe 1913 doors. In the morning I will go to my scrap pile and check to see if the steel pillars are the same as those I am trying to fit on my 1923. Can someone tell me if there are different steel pillars?
Thank you-Paul in Tacoma
If your doors look sort of squarish looking they're 26-27...the rear doors on a 22-25 are rounded below the hinge, the front is sort of squarish.
These are the drawings I made from my doors to make interior panels from...my car is an early 1922 touring. The doors for a 23 will be no different.
Pictures of how it fits?
The '13 and '26/'27 doors are larger and completely different (squareish).
The arm rest to the rear is higher than the door - here's a 1922 for example:
paul! steel pillars are all the same. charley
What I have decided to do is build the wood frames for the doors, then maybe order new door skins.
paul! where do you plan on getting new skins??????????? charley
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Charley, I meant new to me. I will see how mine fit before moving forward. I do live near Bill Bender and he probably has some.
Having rewooded a '23 roadster, same as your touring, I can tell you that you are probably making a mistake that will cost you dearly in time and material lost if you take this approach.
All advice I've read to date has been very good. There are no steel pillars in a '23 low cowl car. As Charley said, all the doors are the same from '15 to '25 and if your doors conform to the drawings that Martin V. posted and your doors don't fit your car then something else is terribly wrong
My doors are nothing like the drawings that Martin posted. No pictures as the doors are removed. Just making sure that the openings are correct. Moving forward with other things now.
Paul - my rear doors for a 24 Touring are 18 3/4" wide and about 19" tall. Yes, your car has rear steel pillars but you already know that. I wish people would take time to understand what you are asking before talking about some other part of the car.
Thomas, a '24 body has significantly different structural components than a '23 low cowl car. If you are certain Paul should have steel pillars based on your car's build, you are likely mistaken.
All of this could have been pretty well answered by posting a picture of the door openings and/or the doors.
Myself, I'd be interested in seeing what the steel pillars are or look like.
all bodies with 3 piece rear tub have the braces. charley
Thank you Charlie
I learned something new today. What are the braces reinforcing?
they are not realy a brace but the door pillar/ body rib. charley
Paul, please post some pictures of your body, even without the doors: Side view, front, cowl details, rear seat tub detail. So much has happened to these cars over the years, one cannot start with assumptions!
According to Ford's Price List of Body Parts they are called "pillars (rear seat)" and are part numbers 7202BRX and 7203BRX
Here is a photo from the parts book showing the pillars
thomas! thanks for the pic that should clear things up. charley
Thomas, thank you for the measurement numbers. Those are what I have been working with. Also, the steel braces and the steel pillars are what I have. And Charley, you are most helpful. I will take a shot at posting some pictures, later as soon as I can get my grandson over to show me how.
Paul, when putting T open cars together from various used parts and especially from the 17-early 23 low cowl bodies you have to remember all bodies are not exactly alike!
Ford used up to 5 body builders during that period.
They all have the general measurements but the details can be a little different.
This isn't the first time this has come up.
You can usually get them to fit but sometimes it may take some tweaking.