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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2017: Timer Question
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Daniel Snell on Sunday, August 20, 2017 - 11:17 am:

This is the timer on my 25 pickup which I have been having a Loud Metallic sound coming from what sounds like the coil box. After changing the coils the sound persisted. The timer has grooves around where the face of the roller contact is. Anyone have a similar issue and if this is normal to have grooves? This has only 300 miles on it since new in 1999.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace, North FL on Sunday, August 20, 2017 - 11:32 am:

Appears to have rapid wear from lack of lubrication. Roller timers need oil or Vaseline packed.

And perhaps a lot of the offset wear is from the front plate on the engine being mal-positioned too. The front plates are installed using a gage tool for concentric alignment.

That can cause the roller rotor to work offset and wear the timer case.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ron Patterson-Nicholasville, Kentucky on Sunday, August 20, 2017 - 11:34 am:

Not normal after 300 miles. Can we also see a photo of the roller?
Where or from whom did you obtain this timer?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Daniel Snell on Sunday, August 20, 2017 - 11:56 am:

Here is the roller assembly. I do not know what brand this timer is, please identify if possible.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace, North FL on Sunday, August 20, 2017 - 11:57 am:

Appears to be reproduction roller timer, likely the Tiger Timer, has all the features of a Tiger.

Daniel's is missing the oiler hole flip cover.


Tiger Timer


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace, North FL on Sunday, August 20, 2017 - 12:12 pm:

Daniel

That roller timer is now trash, so you are in the market for a new timer. Nice thing is there are lots of timers now on the market, so you can pick and choose. The New Day brush style is nice, so is the TW with carbon brush, the brush styles don't need much service and no lube.

While new timers are great, you have to remember they don't last forever! Even with maintenance the timer case and rotor are consumables on the Ford.





The roller timers need lube, and the roller can wear just a bit and get rough on the surface to cause ignition troubles.

On the Montana tour last month, this T had ignition missing. The timer was changed out and that helped some, but the real culprit was a spark plug causing a higher speed miss. New plug installed and this T ran well again.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Daniel Snell on Sunday, August 20, 2017 - 01:17 pm:

Thanks Dan, I think I will replace it with a TW brush timer. To be clear, you say the TW brush timers do not need lubrication at all?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Gregush Portland Oregon on Sunday, August 20, 2017 - 01:19 pm:

Brush type need to be run dry, roller type NEED lube. Yours looks like it was run dry. The flapper type is the exception, run dry or just a little correct lube on the moving parts.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By JohnH on Sunday, August 20, 2017 - 07:19 pm:

If you want no more mechanical wear in your timer ever again, and always perfect timing, the E-Timer is well worth considering.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Wrenn-Monroeville OH on Sunday, August 20, 2017 - 09:05 pm:

Daniel, no the TW nor the New Day need any lubrication. They DO however need to be cleaned just about every 500 miles, so it's a good idea to get in the habit of it every time you change your oil. Doesn't hurt to keep a spare brush on hand too.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hal Schedler, Sacramento on Sunday, August 20, 2017 - 09:59 pm:

I use the "Anderson Timer" in all my T's with great success. They needed a slight timing adjustment when first installed.

Back in 1945 I never lubricated my roller timer. Most of the old timers (no pun intended) told me not to. Go figure.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Gregush Portland Oregon on Sunday, August 20, 2017 - 10:19 pm:

They were naturally lube by the felt seal! Didn't need any extra.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kevin Whelihan Danbury, WI on Monday, August 21, 2017 - 07:33 am:

If you are planning on using a brush style timer, make sure you have a modern neoprene cam seal installed. Felt seals will leak oil and create all kinds of issues for a brush style timer.


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