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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Marv Konrad (Green Bay Area) on Thursday, September 21, 2017 - 12:51 am:

Isn't it nice that someone can present this kind of 'spin'?
Suspicions are that there are other characters, too.
(And our newest Commander-In-Chief is the cause of hurricanes...!)

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/blame-henry-ford-for-deadly-superbugs/ar- AAsfekg?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=SK2EDHP


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Herb Iffrig on Thursday, September 21, 2017 - 08:12 am:

I just saw that this morning.
I too was wondering about blame being put on Henry.
As far as soybeans, I remember my Dad telling me about soybeans coming into the farm scene in the thirties. Farmers thought it was a good thing. It gave some diversity and got away from the wheat and corn rotation around here.
It certainly is a good money maker for farmers.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill Everett on Thursday, September 21, 2017 - 08:15 am:

Good article, Marv; thanks for posting.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Brian Beatty _Kansas City on Thursday, September 21, 2017 - 08:32 am:

Talk about fake news! How about this part?

(Corn and soybeans have been) "genetically modified to be resistant to the widely used pesticide Roundup. That lets farmers apply the pesticide heavily -breeding pesticide-resistant weeds."

According to the author, Roundup is now a pesticide and we now should be fearful of pest resistant weeds!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kenneth W DeLong on Thursday, September 21, 2017 - 08:47 am:

On a tour years ago we were lucky enough to tour many of the Ford cottage industries and a soy bean plant.One can't talk about super bug's without the USDA which always gave us one [better] bug to eat the [bad] bug's!!!!! The old farmer next farm used to say [If it will kill a bug it will kill a man.] So will starving!!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Codman on Thursday, September 21, 2017 - 09:30 am:

It's a pretty big leap from Henry Ford promoting Soybeans decades ago to stupid amounts of antibiotics being added to our food supply today.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By R.V. Anderson on Thursday, September 21, 2017 - 09:46 am:

Seem to be a general trend among today's revisionist historians: our nation's heroes were really villains, and our villains, heroes.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Dimock, Newfields NH, USA on Thursday, September 21, 2017 - 09:46 am:

I can either laugh at the stupidity of people or cry for the state of our country.

I think I'll go for a ride in my T instead.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Humphrey on Thursday, September 21, 2017 - 09:53 am:

Brian, There is some truth in such things.

In 1996, Monsanto introduced genetically modified Roundup Ready soybeans that were resistant to Roundup. The first crops introduced were soybeans, followed by corn in 1998.
Roundup Ready Crops - Massachusetts Institute of Technology
web.mit.edu/demoscience/Monsanto/players.html


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerry VanOoteghem - SE Michigan on Thursday, September 21, 2017 - 09:56 am:

R.V.,

That's what ignorant people do in order to appear intelligent. They can't come up with an original thought or idea, so they tear down the folks who helped build our nation and our world. "How smart must this guy be? He's exposed Henry Ford, (or any other historic notable you care to add), for the flawed, fraud that he was." O.K. Mr. "Journalist", let's see you start your own car company, or perfect a light bulb and electrical distribution network, or AC electric motor. No, your job is to belittle the ones who have.

There, I'm done now...


Yay Model T's!!!!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerry VanOoteghem - SE Michigan on Thursday, September 21, 2017 - 09:59 am:

Steve,

I think Brian's comments had to do with the writer calling Round-Up a "pesticide". To my knowledge, it's a weed killer, not a bug, (i.e. pest), killer.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Humphrey on Thursday, September 21, 2017 - 10:05 am:

I believe you are right Jerry. My apology Brian if I miss read your post.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Larry Bohlen, Severn MD on Thursday, September 21, 2017 - 10:06 am:

Soybeans were promoted like Peanuts as a cash crop to improve soil conditions. They put necessary Nitrogen back into to the soil that had often been badly depleted and "worn out" by other crops like tobacco, cotton and even corn. Very helpful before commercial fertilizers. This "article" is right up there with Henry made the T to run off alcohol. There had been many folks, including Tom Edison looking at synthetic plastics and rubber substitutes.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jesse L. Ashcraft on Thursday, September 21, 2017 - 10:56 am:

>>>This "article" is right up there with Henry made the T to run off alcohol.<<<

Can't any internal combustion engine can run on alcohol? My understanding is that it's just a matter of brewing the octane you need during the cook. I think what you're getting at is the Model T wasn't sold as a flex fuel car even though it is.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Gregush Portland Oregon on Thursday, September 21, 2017 - 11:21 am:

I don't know if you guys see the same commercials we do, but sounds like Round-up is doing a great job of getting rid of those pest known as farmers and field workers! (Except for the last bit said very much in jest, the first part about farmers and field workers exposed to Round-Up as stated in the commercials causing health issues)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Rogers - South of the Adirondacks on Thursday, September 21, 2017 - 12:01 pm:

Does that car still exist?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Strange - Hillsboro, MO on Thursday, September 21, 2017 - 12:06 pm:

https://www.thehenryford.org/collections-and-research/digital-resources/popular- topics/soy-bean-car/


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kenneth W DeLong on Thursday, September 21, 2017 - 12:14 pm:

I doubt it the mice ate it!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George n LakeOzark,Missourah on Thursday, September 21, 2017 - 12:18 pm:

SHHhhh ! Don't tell Hillary


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Sullivan on Thursday, September 21, 2017 - 12:23 pm:

It was that George Washington Carver that started the soybean thing, is what I was taught. Dave in Bellingham,WA


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hal Davis-SE Georgia on Thursday, September 21, 2017 - 12:30 pm:

ALL......of the world's problems are the fault of the greedy white male of European descent. The sooner we all realize this, the sooner we can be on our way to making amends for our transgressions and trying to make the world a better place for everyone else. Although we could never achieve that. We have done too much damage to EVER make things right again. At least not to anyone's satisfaction.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Larry Bohlen, Severn MD on Thursday, September 21, 2017 - 01:12 pm:

Jesse,
Of course they run on Alcohol but I was talking about the myth/revisionist history often mentioned here that it was designed to be fueled with it.

I know how often history is misused by the misinformed.

Larry


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerry VanOoteghem - SE Michigan on Thursday, September 21, 2017 - 01:30 pm:

David,

I think G.W. Carver's thing was peanuts.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Sullivan on Thursday, September 21, 2017 - 01:48 pm:

J.V.O., you are correct, I believe, after considering. My apologies to you, and Dr. Carver. Dave in Bellingham,WA


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By kep on Thursday, September 21, 2017 - 02:29 pm:

Someone grew soybeans and the writer somehow blames that for giving antibiotics to too many farm animals?
Was the writer a former writer for "the onion"?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Schrope - Upland, IN on Thursday, September 21, 2017 - 02:46 pm:

......and the sad part is, this will be preserved in "hinterland" forever or almost so. And, it will be used in the future as a reference to backup someones beliefs.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Marv Konrad (Green Bay Area) on Thursday, September 21, 2017 - 03:47 pm:

Appropriately stated, Fred. The unfortunate thing about HISTORY is that it has become an elective in the schools of today. Why do millennials polled believe G.W. Bush is responsible for killing more people than Idi Amin, Stalin, and Hitler all together???
(Note: "If you don't learn the lessons in history, the same mistakes will be repeated.")


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Thursday, September 21, 2017 - 03:56 pm:

George Washington Carver was an evil black man, and the originator of all things GMO (genetically modified organics). :-) Tongue very firmly in cheek on many levels, ready to duck all the things being readied to be thrown at me!

Sadly, some history does need revision. "To the victors? Go the history books" and other quotes including "All history is bunk". When I was in grade and high school, the history books praised George Washington Carver as a brilliant scientist, early geneticist, and a man that helped feed millions of people otherwise starving around the world.
Many of those books failed to mention that he was black, and the illustrations were drawings that looked somewhat like his photos, however with white skin.

The truth, is important. It is extremely IMPORTANT! Good, bad, ugly, all of it is important. Most of the "revisionism" of today has NOTHING to do with the truth. It is totally about dirty politics, and power redistribution.

Henry Ford was a flawed, basically uneducated, human being. He also was a good man that through most of his life wanted what was best for everybody, and devoted his life's work to achieving it as best he could. He made mistakes. Many of them.
Henry also was probably also the single most influential human being to have ever lived, except for Jesus Christ.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerry VanOoteghem - SE Michigan on Thursday, September 21, 2017 - 04:02 pm:

David,

I'm sure Dr. Carver will forgive you, and there are no apologies needed for me. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerry VanOoteghem - SE Michigan on Thursday, September 21, 2017 - 04:08 pm:

Wayne,

My take on it, with no judgment over other's views, is that to hide Dr. Carver's race would have been wrong. I also feel that to highlight it would also have been wrong. His genius knew no race. He was simply a brilliant scientist, whose likeness deserved to be accurately represented, but not made notable in and of itself.

Again, just me and my .02 cents.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Marv Konrad (Green Bay Area) on Thursday, September 21, 2017 - 04:26 pm:

-Wayne-
"The TRUTH shall make you Free!"
Meanwhile, "Everyone gets a 'politically correct, participation trophy'....!"
Sure. Isn't THAT how life really is??? Everyone should ignore the uncomfortable?
Right or wrong, there are those among humanity who do not want to hear the truth, the lessons presented, nor to accept them.

Take Care; Behave; "Don't Shoot!" (and)
"Happy T-ing!"


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Thursday, September 21, 2017 - 04:53 pm:

Jerry V O, I absolutely agree with you on that. Who a man is, and what he does, is what is important. The color of his skin, or what church (if any) he prays in, should be just a detail. Heritage, and cultural history are also important. For that is the "from whence we came". Nobody's current culture should deny any other good person's culture.

Marv K, I am still looking for the truth. Maybe that is why I still don't feel very free?
Thinking about you and yours every day, and counting down the days.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hal Davis-SE Georgia on Thursday, September 21, 2017 - 05:00 pm:

Jerry

I wholeheartedly agree.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Schrope - Upland, IN on Thursday, September 21, 2017 - 08:35 pm:

If you want to know a little more about the author, check this out:

https://www.bloomberg.com/authors/ASznQGEjaUE/deena-shanker


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Marv Konrad (Green Bay Area) on Friday, September 22, 2017 - 01:07 am:

Fred, it looks to me like you've 'outed' the author's common theme of articles.
That food-expert author apparently believes that 'Sensationalism' can be passed off as 'Journalism'....?
Mostly speculative fluff without any proof or backing. Guessing Deena has found a way to get a paycheck, just glad I don't subscribe and contribute $$$$. Some people don't care about having or presenting the truth.

Take Care; Behave; "Don't Shoot!" (and)
"Happy T-ing!"


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Noel D. Chicoine, MD, Pierre, SD on Friday, September 22, 2017 - 08:19 am:

Blaming Henry Ford for soybeans and antibiotic resistance is like blaming Columbus for finding the Americas and causing the downfall of the native races. If neither had been born, at some time someone would have made the same discovery with the same outcome. It might have just taken a few more years. If the Wright brothers just built bicycles, I think I could still fly to Seattle today.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Thomas Mullin on Friday, September 22, 2017 - 10:49 pm:

More on George Washington Carver and Henry Ford: http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/george-washington-carver-begins-exper imental-project-with-henry-ford


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mack Cole ---- Earth on Saturday, September 23, 2017 - 10:23 am:

When groups like these exist in the world,what else can you expect from the media?.

http://www.vhemt.org/

https://www.tfes.org/
I gave up trying to understand idiots and just try to dodge them as I meander thru life.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Marv Konrad (Green Bay Area) on Saturday, September 23, 2017 - 12:35 pm:

"And, a silent majority lets them get away with it!"


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