Oil lamp on rear spare tire bracket

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2017: Oil lamp on rear spare tire bracket
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Osterman on Monday, September 25, 2017 - 02:44 pm:

My '23 runabout came with a Ford-O tail light and the special lamp and license bracket. But I have installed a rear spare tire bracket and had to remove the Ford-O lamp and license bracket.

So there is a place on the left of the spare tire license bracket to bolt either an electric pill box style tail light or ... a tail lamp for Fords not equipped with a starter. This would be the large red lens type not the Ford-O. But ... the oil lamp doesn't really fit so well. The top pushes against the spare tire rim. Was there a shorter oil lamp for this?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Sims--Reed City,Mich. on Monday, September 25, 2017 - 03:35 pm:

Your problem is that normally a T with spare tire carrier had electric lights. The oil light was not intended to fit a spare tire carrier.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Osterman on Monday, September 25, 2017 - 03:38 pm:

Interesting. So, where did people put the spare tire on a T with no starter motor from 1919-1925?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erik Johnson on Monday, September 25, 2017 - 03:52 pm:

I question whether or not any roadsters and tourings came from the factory with demountable wheels and kerosene lamps but no starter/generator.

The demountable wheels and starter/generator were priced separately, but it appears that both were offered only together as a complete package.

Here's the logic - you only have to assemble two types of roadsters and tourings on the assembly line:

- starter/generator and demountable wheels
- kerosene lamps and non-demountable wheels

If you offer the starter/generator and demountable wheels as separate options, now you have to assemble four types of roadsters and tourings:

- starter/generator and demountable wheels
- starter/generator and non-demountable wheels
- kerosene lamps and non-demountable wheels
- kerosene lamps and demountable wheels

If only two styles of tourings and roadsters were assembled at the plants but folks believe that wheel or starter/generator upgrades could be done by the dealer should consider how much is involved to do so.

For example, to upgrade to factory demountable wheels at the dealership would involve the following - fairly simple and not out of the question:

Swapping non-demountables wheels with demountable wheels
Installing Timken roller bearings
Installing spare tire carrier

However, to upgrade to a starter/generator at the dealership would have been much more involved:

Adding starter
Adding generator
Swapping out wiring loom
Swapping out bulbs in headlamps
Adding instrument panel with correct switch and ammeter
Depending on year of car - swapping out coil box (switch vs non-switch coil box)
Installing electric tail lamp
Swapping magneto horn with battery horn
Adding battery frame
etc., etc.

The above is doable, but frankly, wouldn't it just be easier just to buy a car from the factory that is equipped with the starter/generator and demountable wheels instead of buying a non-starter/non-demountable car and having the dealer add the starter, etc.

Just thinking out loud.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erik Johnson on Monday, September 25, 2017 - 04:03 pm:

Here's a better summary of what I posted above, and is in line with what Jim Sims posted.

Although the starter/generator package and the demountable wheel package were priced separately, it appears that they were only offered together as one complete option.

Therefore, there were only two types of roadsters and tourings assembled at the plants:

- Non-starter generator cars equipped with kerosene lamps, mag horns and non-demountable wheels, etc.

- Starter/generator cars with demountable wheels, spare tire carrier, Timken bearings, battery frame, ammeter, battery horn, etc.

Disclaimer: I have not researched this and claim no expertise. It's just a casual observation.


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