There are distinct difference between the Jon Brown lamp and Victor model 2 lamp some of those are the tiers on the Victor are smaller including the brass cap, the font which is also smaller where the burner and flame guard mount and last but not least the panels including the door are smaller. That being said I saw my first Victor model 2 Ford script tail lamp today. I looked it up in Bruce’s book but there is no mention of a Victor tail lamp. Does anyone have any information on this conundrum ?
I think Bruce simply didn't include a photo in the book. Victor 2 taillight seems to be nothing more than a sidelight with a different door, one having a round opening for a red lens.
Here are 2 more, so I think there are 3 different tail lights.
Kim, the pic of the taillamp with the 4 "tabs" retaining the embossed Ford script brass Top is the very rare Victor #1 taillamp. Its very different than the Victor #1 cowl lamps. However the cowl lamps also have script embossed on the chimney top but not fastened with tabs. I understand these kerosene lamps were used on the very early 1913 Fords and their matching headlamps had a steel bonnet
Hi George, that little victor tail light with the tabs is my favorite. I have the sidelights that match the 3 tier taillight I pictured. All 3 have the raised script. So I figure there are 3 different victor tail lights used in 1913. Kim
My '13 touring originally had Victor #1 lamps on it. I can't stand the headlights, even if I was to brass plate the bonnet, so I switched to Jno. Browns, which are way more common and look nicer too.
I have seen one of the Victor #1 tail lights, they are neat looking, maybe because they were so different then the T norm.
I have a tail lamp just like the No.1, but it has a steel top and no visible markings [ it has been a bit battered]. did Victor make similar lamps for other car makes ?
I have the Victor #1 taillight pictured in Bruces book. It came on my car when I bought it in 1961.
It seems that Thomas Corcoran (and brothers), who owned Victor, used what we know as the Victor Model #1's to make a quick entry into a piece of the Ford lamp business in 1913.
Victor was already making the tail light you have and all that was needed was a "Ford" cap for it.
Victor made other gas lamps with steel bonnets so again, all he needed was the Ford logo in the bonnet. Victor continued to make gas lamps with the steel bonnets for years after they supplied Ford the Victor Model 1 headlamp.
Only a guess on my part, but I would imagine Ford pressed Mr. Corcoran to come up with his Victor Model 2's to be more in line with the "look" of the E & J and John Brown lines all around the car.
The building is gone now but this is 1249 Plum Street in Cincinnati, Ohio, where the old Victor Lamp Company plant was located.
Ken in Texas
Ken, thanks for the great info. I think you are correct that the model 1 tail light was already being made with a steel and a plain brass top. Over the years I've seen both and also wondered why Ford was using such a different looking lamp. Even my wife likes them, she put one on the wall in our living room!
I know Kim knows this, but have you ever noted that the Victor #2 and Corcoran lamps for 1914 have the same identical script?
In fact, I have a set of three Victor #1 cowl and tail lamps for sale. The cowl lamps have what looks like cast iron mounting brackets and nice original paint. The tail lamp, as above, has been restored. Only $950