I just picked up an Engine and transmission to rebuild. I'm curious, the SER# is Oct 25, 1919, will this engine and transmission fit into a 1923 Touring?
It's going to be another one of my winter projects, for a later date.
If it's early 1919 it might not have a place for a generator in the engine casting. But it will still work.
1919 was a transition year where you could get the Model T with a starter, ring gear, generator and battery powered lights.
All the engines will fit in the frame.
Thanks everyone for your information, really appreciate it..
Joseph, while a engine is not in the frame it might be a good time to make sure the frame is straight and not bowed down where the engine fits the frame. Otherwise you might have problems with the hood not aligning properly later on.
That's good advice about checking the frame for straightness. My experience is that most frames are bent or out of square.
It will fit, But if your state is one that uses the engine number for the registration you may need to re stamp the number.
Good advice on checking the frame, currently I have an engine in the car that is running great. Just wanted to learn more about the Model T engine, use it for a backup or spare, will rebuild this older engine, and continue using the one in the car. That way, when time to rebuild the one in the car, I can swap out engines quickly and rebuild the original.
In Idaho they used the Engine # for registration. I figure as long as I own the car, no problem with engine numbers, if the old engine became unrepairable, I could use the advice of Will and stamp the original engine number in this older engine. My children want to keep this in the family after I pass it along, so that is good news, my son is really enjoying the father son project of restoring this 1923 Touring. Hoping to have the rear end back together in a week or so and drive the car a little more b4 winter.
Pans and mounting will interchange.
As they are the same 11 to 27
If your car didnt have a starter and has wood firewall you'l need to relieve to clear the starter
The first T that I ever drove was a 1924 with a 1919 engine. If it will fit a '24, it will fit a '23.
My 22's engine is a 24, I had to pull the engine last summer to rebuild my transmission. Everything in that trans (mostly everything was pretty well shot, so a friend (Herb Minor) gave me a transmission with flywheel out of a 1919. The chief difference between the 1919 and the 24 was that the ring gear had bosses in 4 cardinal positions and the flywheel had counter bores in the same locations that they fit into.
In the end I didn't use the 1919's flywheel opting instead for my old one (it was indexed to my crank). Glen Chaffen helped me rebush and ream those drums and fit them to my flywheel. My engine is a "Frankenstein" but it works fine and is very smooth.
I have your very situation: 1923 Touring with a 1919 engine and the two are married in total harmony. It's a beautiful thing.
You should buy an original or a copy of a Model T parts book. Your question would be answered.
I would like a little more information regarding the Model T parts book, I cannot find anything under that name. Can you please supply an author or exact title of the book your referring to.
Joe, Ford issued approximately a jillion parts books.This is one that's currently being reproduced.
The original books will have much better illustrations than the reprints. If you have the extra cash invest in a vintage copy of the Ford Service Manual and a parts booklet. Here is a 1930 parts booklet on eBay right now.
By the way I saw two service manuals on eBay for $75.
Thanks for the link, I just purchased the parts book, going to be some interesting reading once it arrives.