I need some help from you experts out there to determine the year of this Roadster Pickup. The motor is a '26, but I know the body is older. My guess is 23,24, or 25. The rear fenders have a center rib. The tailgate has "Ford" script in the center. The steering wheel dia. is 17". What else can I be looking at to help me identify the year? Would appreciate any input.
1925 with the incorrect rear fenders.
Just guessing but to me it looks like a 25.
Roughly '23-'25. All of the fenders look non-Ford factory issue. Perhaps it's an after-market set made with a roadster to pickup conversion ? Good looking pickup !!
Looks like a high radiator. That says 24-25. Ditto the radiator apron. Yes, the fenders are not Model T.
1925 p/u box - one year only as well as the parallel door hinge.
It appears to be an original 1925 pickup with incorrect fenders to me too. You are lucky to have it. The car is a somewhat difficult to find Model T. Suggested reading: MTFCI judging guidelines, and Bruce McCalleys The Car That Changed The World.
Are you guys telling me that both front and rear fenders are NOT Ford model T, or just the rear?
Visually, it is a '25 but in reality could he a 23 or 24 with change to demountable and an added p/u bed.
Now...as to saying it was a complete body set save those fenders? Then it could have only been produced in calendar year 25 only, and only from about March to end of model year...and even then going on what I've read before...there is no such thing as a factory built pick-up AFTER about April of 1925 even though dealers sold pick-ups right through to the end of the model year!
Seems that the story goes that pick-ups ran afoul of federal excise tax exemptions and once Ford found out, they started shipping Roadsters without trunk bonnets to the dealers, the dealers then bought pick-up bodies from Ford and the two were married at the dealership. There has been past debate that for the first 30 days or so of March early April that Ford (Ford branches?) built complete Roadster pick-ups ex-factory. I'm also told the way you can tell these so-called factory built do NOT have garnish strips on the bed, where the Roadster sans trunk bonnet deal DID contain the garnish strips. For what it is worth....
The 17" steering wheel is also a clue for a correct '25 if the body is not a 'bitsey'. They only showed on calendar year 25's, and should have the 5::1 gearing beneath.
Now as to those fenders? I'm 99% sure they are the dress up crowned replacement fenders from Western Auto Supply Agency. The clue would be the raised rib is also a 'U' on the front side of the fender too...
Larry Smith is the resident expert on 25 Roadster P/U's (I just now see he added comment above)
that is one terrific car. Love the aftermarket fenders...look like they fit great, and are really interesting...sporty!
For what it is worth...the Ford high Crown front fenders were (based on time-line of introduction and use) copies of Front fenders that Western Auto Supply Agency had been selling as a dress up feature for years!
Curious where the fender meets the radiator apron....fender have the point or is point missing? Doesn't help with the analysis just curious, thats all. Well maybe it does...if the points are missing, that would mean they are NOT Ford issue 25 fenders, and may in fact also be Western Auto....but this is just a hunch)
George, the front fenders have the points. As to the rear fenders, they are very well built and the center rib sure makes them strong. I will probably keep them on it.
That is one neat car. I'd be keeping the fenders on it and try to find the old Western Auto ads for them to go along with the car.
If I recall correctly, Western Auto Supply Company fenders were advertised as 20 gauge stock. They went somewhere on the order of 25 bucks for all 4 corners in the 20's
I am curious about the front fenders. What is there that indicates they are not Ford fenders? They are wrong for 1925, lacking the lip to tie them in with the apron on the radiator shell, but otherwise they look correct to me. What am I missing?
That's a nice looking pickup Bryan. You have done well.
Allan from down under.
I would say you have a 1925 pickup, perhaps is real original. The body has the '25 features of the recess wood tack rail around the tub, the equal length door hinge, and think your steering cluster case has full knurl, indicating 5-1 gears inside. The windshield upper frame is fitted with mirror and wiper, those holes in the frame for those accessories were late '24 addition, correct for a '25.
The metal bed is a true '25 bed.
The front fenders do have the lip to the radiator apron, and are the correct ones as the molding goes under the splash shields.
As noted by others, the rear fenders are aftermarket accessory.
Below is the '25 runabout pickup.
Accessory crown fenders, like the style on the rear of your pickup.
Door hinge says it's a 1925. Only year for the rectangular hinge.
The rear fenders look like something Oakland used about 1924-26.
Ill agree with 1925 pick-up and western auto rear accessory fenders.
Notice that the pickup in the factory photo does not have the Ford script on the tailgate. The script was added early in production.
Bryan, whatever it is, I like it.