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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Durdahl on Sunday, November 05, 2017 - 05:57 pm:

Hello, I have the opportunity to purchase this 24 model from My Cousins Dads estate. Question for the forum is whats the current value for these old machines? This one has been used regularly and looks to be in great mechanical condition. Nice interior and solid body with lots of dings and scratches. I dont know if these are easy to come by in this condition or not. I dont want to pass up a good car. Looking for any and all comments.Thanks in advance. Tom D
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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR on Sunday, November 05, 2017 - 06:33 pm:

I saw only one pic of a T, and it looks like a nice one. If it has been driven regularly, it's probably a good car.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom D on Sunday, November 05, 2017 - 06:38 pm:

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Sunday, November 05, 2017 - 06:50 pm:

A lot of unknowns. Interior condition? Engine condition? Condition of the wood structure in the body?
It looks like a nice older restoration '24 coupe. Two passenger body styles are are generally worth a little less than the four and five passenger styles, because people like to be able to carry friends for short rides. On the other hand. the two passenger bodies are lighter than their four/five passenger counterparts, and therefore tend to perform a little better. So many people do prefer them.
A quick ballpark estimate is probably somewhere between $7000 and $9000.
Sounds like this is fairly new to you? You may want to contact some local model T groups and look at a few cars, get a ride and feel for what they are like (most people just like them more and more!). (I sometimes refer to it as "a terrible disease"! I would rather have and drive a model T than any Ferrari or Mercedes Benz.)

A place to start looking for a local group is here:

http://www.mtfca.com/clubpages/chapters.htm

That style coupe was only used for two model years, in '24 and '25. Earlier and later coupes are both very different. There were several minor changes in the construction of the '24/'25 coupes, and one major change. The '24 coupe had wood framed doors, and are a bit heavier. The '25 coupe had all steel doors, but still a wood framed body. (As with most changes in model T Fords, there was some crossover time when both or either were being made, so that year separation is not absolute!)

This site forum is the best place on the web to ask questions. I am sure there will be more comment to follow.
Good luck!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Sunday, November 05, 2017 - 07:08 pm:

Having now looked at the additional pictures, just a couple more comments.
The interior looks nice. But it is not correctly done. Not a big deal either way, being nice is a plus for getting out and enjoying the car. But not being done in proper materials and not quite the right style, does affect the selling value. Maybe not a lot. But some.
The original after-market accessory steering wheel looks nice, and does not really affect the value.

That car looks like an excellent example of what I call the perfect antique automobile. Basically ready (with a little tinkering) to use and enjoy. Older restoration, that looks nice although not perfect. Not a true original survivor (a lot of discussion needed to understand what that means), so you don't have to fret about irreplaceable original details and fear enjoying it.
Nice enough to look great going down the road, and not feel ashamed parking it next to fresh truly fine restorations.
Yet dinged and scratched just enough that you can really drive and enjoy it without worrying about another ding or scratch. Paint flaking in a spot, and a few chips? A new scratch where somebody leaned a belt buckle too close? A quick touch-up and it looks just as nice as it did the day you got it.
The perfect antique car to enjoy!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom D on Sunday, November 05, 2017 - 07:16 pm:

Wayne, I just learned of the car on Friday and looked at it today. I am a car guy but never thought I would be interested in these old Fords. Here are a few pics of the Wood and chassis.
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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Lloid on Sunday, November 05, 2017 - 07:21 pm:

Neat old T


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom D on Monday, November 06, 2017 - 11:23 am:

Wayne, thanks for the great info. Any more comments or info from the forum regarding this T are appreciated.

Thanks Tom D


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By FreighTer Jim on Monday, November 06, 2017 - 12:10 pm:

Tom,

You need someone with experience to lay eyes & hands on it.

That canít happen by looking at images.

FJ


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Scott Conger - Wyoming on Monday, November 06, 2017 - 12:27 pm:

I think Wayne has given excellent advice on value and everything else.

The photos show original wood, and very decent body panels if the few photos of underside "lip" of metal around wood is consistent for the car. I agree that it looks to be an old restoration. The wiring harness is consistent with what you'd buy in the 1970's. The underside of the transmission and drive shaft are amazingly clean. This is no junk car.

The difficult thing with value and purchase price is dealing with family and wanting to do right by them without taking on undue risk for yourself. If it starts and runs nicely, risk starts to go down. I always advise folks that once you own the car plan on spending $1000 getting it right, safe, or individualized. Doesn't matter if it's a fresh restoration or a running barn find that you want to keep "as is". Plan on spending a grand $$$.

If it runs fine, then I would open/shut the doors. They have a tendency to sag and not shut well without persuasion or a heavy "slam" shut. If the doors shut well you are very far ahead of the game. Whether still good original or reinforced/braced from restoration a nice fitting door is a real bonus.

Best wishes and maybe "welcome to the club".


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Monday, November 06, 2017 - 12:31 pm:

Jim is on target. A picture can't check the mechanical condition of the thing, or start it up and see how it runs and drives.

But I will make one observation based on a picture. The only engine photo doesn't show much, but the angle of the fan belt tells us there's a water pump. Sometimes the presence of that accessory is benign because it was installed by somebody who just assumed a car should have one. But it's often a Band-Aid applied to deal with a bad radiator. A new radiator for this car costs $875 or $975 (plus shipping), depending on which one you get.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dick Lodge - St Louis MO on Monday, November 06, 2017 - 12:44 pm:

Tom, here are the three MTFCA chapters in Minnesota.

http://www.mtfca.com/clubpages/chapters.htm#mn

Two of them have email links. You might see if someone could take a look at it with you.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Scott Conger - Wyoming on Monday, November 06, 2017 - 01:17 pm:

I am just now finishing the body from a true barn find 7 years ago. Back then I got it running in short order and found it to be peppy and very quiet and a strong runner. From the bottom end I could see new rods, new pistons and a very clean interior. The magneto didn't work, but that could have been a number of things from serious to inconsequential.

Since I plan to tour this car, I just tore the engine down to see what I really had and possibly freshen it up a bit (ran too well to need much, right?).

I found an original crank with only .001" wear on mains and journals. Standard bores with .004" out of round or taper, with new-ish pistons (Hooray!)...and a totally blown up flywheel assembly with mangled magnets, 4 torn off magnet keepers, a ruined mag coil and spun bearings in the triple gears. Bummer! All pieces were obviously neatly wedged out of the way when I drove it for a few days and may very well be the reason it was retired. The clattering and clunking of various loose pieces only announced themselves when the engine was inverted on the engine stand during teardown.

No expert in the world would have expected the total carnage in the transmission based on it's near silent operation (I even remarked that I had never heard such a nice transmission on a "T"). I don't disagree with Jim or Steve as to the wisdom of having someone knowledgeable look it over, but respectfully disagree that true mechanical condition can be ascertained visually or even by driving, without a complete teardown...and who does that?...you will never really know what you have. You can only tell if it runs and drives like a "T" should. And that's pretty much the extent of having knowledgeable folks with you. By the way, if you buy the car, the first thing you will be told is to teardown the rear end to see if you have original or replacement thrust washers. So much for the benefit of having an expert at your side inspecting the car!

This present car is my fourth of four that I own and one of many that I have worked on or repaired for friends or acquaintances and am not naive about these things...sometimes you just can't tell a book by it's cover.

As a post script, I'll tell you that my dad bought his first "T" under very similar circumstances in the 1970's. He bought well and we enjoyed all the AACA car shows then. Who knew a "T" could be reliable enough to tour?Amazingly, 40 years later I met many of the guys again that I remembered having really nice "T"s at the car shows. I met them at the local MTFCI/MTFCA club. Every one of those guys were MTFCI or MTFCA members in the 1970's and there was even a local chapter of both in the area. Not ONE of them told dad or me about the clubs much less invited us to join. It took some old magazines at a bookstore and the internet for me to discover a local club in FL. He and I learned the hobby in unnecessary seclusion while surrounded by a host of "T" owners and clubs. Information and camaraderie have improved considerably in that regard.

So finally, if you can, take the advice and bring knowledgeable people with you. Just don't expect that this removes much risk from the purchase. It is a 90+ year old car...it is what it is.

Best of luck


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By john kuehn on Monday, November 06, 2017 - 02:05 pm:

A question that needs to be asked is does it have a clear Title.
Looks like it was restored fairly recently. It could be that the car was already in good original shape and had a cosmetic restoration. Some T's can be done that way if the mechanicals are still good and the car has good solid original wood.

If that's the case and assuming it still has the original radiator its a 7-8.000 car at the most.

If the engine was rebuilt and maybe the rear end, it could be a $10.000-12,000 car if you have the records on what was done to the car.
And that depends how good the car runs and drives!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Eubanks, Powell, TN on Monday, November 06, 2017 - 05:30 pm:

Planned use has a lot to do with what might need to be done. If you plan on selling it, just make sure it has a good battery so it will start easily. If you plan on driving it on reasonably flat ground around the neighborhood, run it and see what needs to be done. If you have lots of hills and want to tour with it, a flat tube radiator core and aux brake setup is in order. Also a check of what is in the rear end, if it has not had the babbit thrust washers replaced with brass, that is an absolute must. The car looks solid enough to have been taken care of well. As for value the above estimate is in line and in the end and antique car is worth what someone is willing to pay for it and no more. Experienced folks automatically consider the worst when buying unless it is a car they have known and driven thru the years.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Willis Jenkins on Monday, November 06, 2017 - 05:58 pm:

Tom,

Wayne, Scott, Steve & John have all given pretty sound advice on price and what to expect on repairs.
Maybe you can find out more from family members but, I would have no problem pulling the trigger on this one....

But, that is just me!
Willis


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