Old Photo - The Chauffeur Posing With A Black Era Town Car In Europe

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2017: Old Photo - The Chauffeur Posing With A Black Era Town Car In Europe
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jay - In Northern California on Monday, November 13, 2017 - 08:55 am:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary Schreiber- Santa Isabel Ecuador on Monday, November 13, 2017 - 09:00 am:

Every bit as cool as the brass TC's. Thanks for posting. Any idea what the item may be atop the rear fender?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Strange - Hillsboro, MO on Monday, November 13, 2017 - 09:03 am:

Parking light.

http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/80257/117087.html?1260758673


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gilbert V. I. Fitzhugh on Monday, November 13, 2017 - 09:40 am:

I'm surprised that the car isn't kept shinier.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rich Bingham, Blackfoot, Idaho on Monday, November 13, 2017 - 10:21 am:

Is he really the chauffeur ?? Boutonnière, the three piece suit and his age (and the lack of polish on the car) make it seem he's more likely the owner - the hat is the only sort of "chauffeur-y" clue.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR on Monday, November 13, 2017 - 10:27 am:

With 30 x 3-1/2" tires on the front and a driver's side door, do you reckon it's a Canadian car?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erik Johnson on Monday, November 13, 2017 - 10:50 am:

Are you sure that photo was taken in Europe? If it were, I would think the car would be facing the other direction as folks drove on the left side of the road.

Also, The car is left hand drive. Note the side view mirror.

1915-18 U.S. assembled town cars had a driver's side door (although the factory photo of the 1915 mock-up doesn't have a driver's side door).

Looks like a 1918, U.S. assembled town car to me.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard Eagle Idaho Falls on Monday, November 13, 2017 - 11:02 am:

The Adlake or similar lamps indicate some different place of origin.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Matt the Headlight Lens Guy n California on Monday, November 13, 2017 - 11:10 am:

What is the difference between a 1918 town car and touring besides the top and divider between the seats?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jay - In Northern California on Monday, November 13, 2017 - 11:13 am:

Erik, Here it is reversed. Now it's in Europe. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Larry Smith, Lomita, California on Monday, November 13, 2017 - 11:17 am:

I believe 1917 was the last Ford made town car. I don't think this photo was taken in Europe either!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Monday, November 13, 2017 - 11:21 am:

I think the picture was reversed because look at the man's vest and the way the buttons are on the coat. The rear fender looks a little tweeked at the bead which indicates that the car was not new at the time.

As a boy, I noticed that most Model T's were not extremely shiny. I think the paint used in those days was either semi gloss or that it oxidized an a couple years and became dull.
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Terry & Sharon Miller, Westminster, CO on Monday, November 13, 2017 - 11:21 am:

Isn't the Boutonniere usually worn in the LEFT lapel? Represented in the first photo and thus not photographed in Europe. Just wondering.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jay - In Northern California on Monday, November 13, 2017 - 11:26 am:

I say it was the butler in the pantry with a candle stick! :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rich Bingham, Blackfoot, Idaho on Monday, November 13, 2017 - 11:26 am:

His vest buttons left over right in the first photo. Maybe he don't know where to put the boutonnière , or someone pinned it on him from their point of view ? Re/ the town car body, a wholly different construction of itself, not a rigged-out touring modification.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Chris Barker, Somerset, England on Monday, November 13, 2017 - 12:21 pm:

It's only the UK, Eire (and Sweden in the past) that drive on the left. Most of Europe has LHD cars and drives on the right.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Watson -Florence,Colorado on Monday, November 13, 2017 - 03:21 pm:

Norman -Photo was created in 1928. The Photographer was Harris & Ewing


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rich Bingham, Blackfoot, Idaho on Monday, November 13, 2017 - 03:26 pm:

Don, is that a clue to the location where the photo was taken ?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Watson -Florence,Colorado on Monday, November 13, 2017 - 03:39 pm:

Rich I do Not know where photo was taken. Got my copy from someone in Moscow. Go Figure


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Perry Kete on Monday, November 13, 2017 - 04:01 pm:

That has to be Europe....That's English Ivy on the building. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dick Lodge - St Louis MO on Monday, November 13, 2017 - 04:08 pm:

What Chris Barker said. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dick Lodge - St Louis MO on Monday, November 13, 2017 - 04:11 pm:

Harris & Ewing was in Washington DC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harris_%26_Ewing_photo_studio


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Monday, November 13, 2017 - 04:24 pm:

I tried zooming in on the picture, until it got a little pixilated and grainy. Couldn't really make out many details to help much. Not even a house number to verify photo orientation. The car may have the combination horn/light switch? Tough to tell. It could even be the later horn only button. Of course, that even is something that could have been changed at some point.

Wonderful photo! Thank you Jay! And glad to see you're back. I do hope you and the Mrs enjoyed the summer months.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Koke Twigg-Smith on Monday, November 13, 2017 - 05:04 pm:

The little fender light is an “opera” light, usually only on the street side fender. Chauffeur driven cars had them for safety when standing at the curb waiting for Madam. I have same light on a 1921 Stutz 6-7 Passenger Tourer, put on by original owner in the twenties.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Lenney Glenn on Monday, November 13, 2017 - 05:22 pm:

Do I see a door open on the opposite side?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Lenney Glenn on Monday, November 13, 2017 - 05:33 pm:

Oops! There is supposed to be a door there. A teens model t with two doors I am not accustomed to.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Wells, Hamilton Ontario on Monday, November 13, 2017 - 07:30 pm:

The door knob on the house in the first photo is on the right side. I think that would be much more likely to be correct.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Joe Bunyip on Monday, November 13, 2017 - 08:44 pm:

Here is the photo at the Library of Congress website:

https://www.loc.gov/item/hec2013005053/

A few other random photos, including a horse jumping over a car...

https://www.loc.gov/resource/hec.34172/

https://www.loc.gov/item/hec2013012382/

https://www.loc.gov/item/hec2013001801/

https://www.loc.gov/item/hec2013005480/

https://www.loc.gov/item/hec2013000527/

https://www.loc.gov/resource/hec.44170/

https://www.loc.gov/resource/hec.30685/

https://www.loc.gov/item/hec2013003092/

https://www.loc.gov/resource/hec.45121/

https://www.loc.gov/resource/hec.36520/


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Joe Bunyip on Monday, November 13, 2017 - 08:51 pm:

The Library of Congress webpages have downloadable, high resolution versions of the photographs.

The TIFF versions are quite detailed.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Hoshield; Oak Park MI on Monday, November 13, 2017 - 08:58 pm:

The Lib of Congress info on it says location is the US


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erik Johnson on Monday, November 13, 2017 - 09:12 pm:

The original negative is in the Library of Congress.

Click on this link link for details - note that under the photo you can click "view larger" or download files of various sizes.

http://www.loc.gov/pictures/collection/hec/item/hec2013005053/

Click on this link for a high resolution file. Once it opens, you can zoom in and out to view. If you save the file to your computer, you can also zoom in and out using your favorite photo software.

http://cdn.loc.gov/master/pnp/hec/35000/35016a.tif

Here is some of the fun that can be had if you download the high resolution file and save it on your computer. Note the riveted windshield bracket (1915, 1916 and early 1917 model years) and the 1918 style horn button.

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erik Johnson on Monday, November 13, 2017 - 09:17 pm:

Sorry about the duplicate to Joe's post. I started working on my post about 45 minutes ago before he posted but was interrupted by a long phone call and didn't see it until I submitted my post.

Anyway, I encourage folks to download the high resolution and view it on your photo software. Then you can see all the great details. You can also print it and frame it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Joe Bunyip on Monday, November 13, 2017 - 09:36 pm:

Great minds think alike Erik!

The Library of Congress website was a bit of a rabbit hole for me.

The Model T converted for hand operation and the steering wheel in the photo with the horse are interesting...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Chris Landry, Hudson, NH on Monday, November 13, 2017 - 11:55 pm:

The resolution of those old glass plates is amazing.

Not a boutonniere at all. It's some sort of badge. Maybe a chauffeur's license? It would seem to indicate that the first picture is the right orientation.



You can almost make out the lettering on the rear tire.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Tuesday, November 14, 2017 - 11:48 am:

The number on the badge would indicate the first picture was correct orientation. By the way English Ivy, grows elsewhere than England. I have some in my yard and I am in California.
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerry VanOoteghem S.E. Michigan on Tuesday, November 14, 2017 - 12:06 pm:

I think he's a cabbie. Would explain the worn down, once fancy, Town Car.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Watson -Florence,Colorado on Tuesday, November 14, 2017 - 12:12 pm:

More Towncar photos PLEASE !!!!!


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