Was this done for speed or gas mileage?

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Corey Walker, Brownsboro TX on Friday, November 17, 2017 - 01:54 pm:

I'm sure something is missing but this isn't a simple bolt on kit. I wonder if this helped with gas mileage or speed? It looks like it would inject more gas directly from the bowl, I suppose, somehow.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By dale w on Friday, November 17, 2017 - 01:56 pm:

MMO!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Dimock, Newfields NH, USA on Friday, November 17, 2017 - 02:06 pm:

Looks like it is a natural gas inlet.
It worked on static motors but failed when attached to movable vehicles because they couldn't find a hose that was long enough to go to town.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rich Bingham, Blackfoot, Idaho on Friday, November 17, 2017 - 02:22 pm:

Fitting with a shut-off, I'm guessing the tee mated with an adapter soldered to the carb bowl ??

Quite the invention that's not self-explanatory. Maybe some kind of adaptation to start on gasoline and switch to fuel oil (kerosene or "low-cost" fuel) ?!?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Friday, November 17, 2017 - 02:23 pm:

Fred - Aside from your humorous "quip" about "not a long enough hose", I think you hit the nail on the head!

I don't know how successful this was, but by the careful placement of the tube where it is joined to the throat of the carburetor, right in line with the axis of the choke butterfly, I'm guessing that someone who had a source of natural gas was attempting to use natural gas for fuel. And probably using the choke butterfly for a throttle. Again,.....just a guess, but what an interesting find,.....thanks for posting Corey,......harold


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Corey Walker, Brownsboro TX on Friday, November 17, 2017 - 02:27 pm:

Here's another view.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Vern (Vieux Carre) on Friday, November 17, 2017 - 03:13 pm:

It will work just fine on natural gas...as a stationary motor at the barn.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charlie B actually in Toms River N.J. on Friday, November 17, 2017 - 05:30 pm:

There you go. Nice one Vern. You get the cigar.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Dimock, Newfields NH, USA on Friday, November 17, 2017 - 05:42 pm:

Charlie. Are you trying to kill Vern?
Cigars and cigarettes are bad for you.
Wine and bourbon are Ok.
Send him a bottle.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Vern (Vieux Carre) on Friday, November 17, 2017 - 05:47 pm:

OMG, I don't drink or smoke (not even when I had a chance to get a cigar in Cuba) but thanks for the thoughtfulness.
I do have an issue with natural gas though.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Dimock, Newfields NH, USA on Friday, November 17, 2017 - 05:57 pm:

Please define natural gas!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By James A. Golden on Friday, November 17, 2017 - 07:15 pm:

Another possibility was for water injection to eliminate carbon build-up in the combustion chambers and foul the spark plugs.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Dimock, Newfields NH, USA on Friday, November 17, 2017 - 07:43 pm:

James Golden

Although water injection has been done for many years I remember that It was on the Mid 50ís Oldsmobile turbo to cool the combustion chamber.
I was caught doing it to my stock Buick at Connecticut dragway and DQed in the 60s.
If I were to do it again I would do a better job of hiding it. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Anderson on Friday, November 17, 2017 - 10:34 pm:

Looks like a water injection port. Many old tractors used a water injection to stop detonation when their tractors were switched from Gasoline to Kerosene after the engine was warmed up. This carb may have been used on a stationary powerplant that was started on gas and then switched over to kerosene. On the farm kerosene was cheaper than gas.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By jeff cordes on Friday, November 17, 2017 - 11:42 pm:

Nitrous oxide?lol


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Vern (Vieux Carre) on Saturday, November 18, 2017 - 08:28 am:

Fred, now it's called Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) but you probably know that. Exhaust gasses are water vapor used to cool combustion to reduce nitrogen oxide and hydrocarbons emissions. I wonder if that was discovered by accident when running water injection one day.
Defn: N.G. = too much New Orleans red beans and rice.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Doug Menkhaus on Saturday, November 18, 2017 - 08:56 am:

What's that thing soldered on the side of the bowl for though? too high to be a drain?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By James A Bartsch on Saturday, November 18, 2017 - 09:39 am:

Flange bolts wallowed out, this may have been used on a different engine altogether. Interesting post no matter how it worked or what it was used on. jb


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