Great picture !! What year is the T ? I'm guessing the photo is late 30s at the earliest, on the occasion of getting Dad's (or grandpa's) old car out for some exercise.
Interesting accessory windshield. Notice the hole in the splash shield for the carbide tank hose.
Along with the windshield, would the top and bows have been updated to a 1913-14 set ? Looks like another '15 hood in place.
"Torpedo" style w.s. ?
Top is 1918-22 due to the square sockets.
A dog-leg is in the windshield required because the front bow of the later top isn't long enough.
To me, the photo looks like it was taken in the mid to late 1940s.
Brothers perhaps? It is a delightful photo in many ways. Jay seems to retrieve these from some mystical place we can't find.
Right you are Erik. Which came first ? The accessory windshield, or the replacement top ?
(Sometime in 1918 - "Lookee here Dad, I just bought a whole brand-new top for the old jitney to replace the one you wrecked when you drove it through the barn without putting it down." Dad : "Ya damfool kid, them newfangled tops is all of a foot shorter nowadays. Ain't gonna fit." )
Seems to be an 1911 touring since it has E&J 666 headlamps, tapered rear axle, two piece dash and diamond pattern running boards.
Ken in Texas
It's a bitsa car! Ain't worth a damn...
1910 body & hood former. looks like 5 1/2 " hubs?.lots of changes. charley
door handles & hinges 1910. charley
CHARLEY! That you?!
Glad to see you.
I do hope a few former trolls can behave themselves now.
we will see. charley
I echo Wayne's sentiments. Nice to see you here. I know I used to rib you about not posting pictures, but your expertise in antique autos astounded me (others too, I'm sure). Please post more often
i finally got someone to fix my camera so i can post easley. but douse not help my spelling. ha.ha. charley
We always understood you Charley, no problem there
Tim, here ya go. You get the prize
Glad you're back Charley ! Missed your good posts !
Jay -- thank you for another great photo!
Charley -- good to see you posting and good to have you back!
Looks like several items were replaced over the years. What about the rear wheel? A higher resolution copy would make it easy to tell. But does it have a hub cap on it? And if it does not how is the wheel held onto the axle? On the original 1909-early 1911 cars the Hub cap holds the pin that holds the wheel to the axle (ref:
http://www.mtfca.com/encyclo/U-Z.htm#rwhubs where it has:
Designed for non-tapered axle with pin through the diameter to hold the wheel. 5-1/2 diameter flanges. The general shape of the hub was like that of the front hubs.
Non-tapered axle continued into early 1911. 6 flange style hubs for these axles.
Tapered axle. Flanges are 6 diameter. Shorter, near-uniform diameter hub section.
But the hub flange looks similar to the front and I think it looks like the 5 1/2 inch? How would they have the later taper axle hub, later larger diameter spokes, with the earlier 5 1/2 inch flange? Of course they could have also put a bolt through the hole where the axle pin originally would have been. But I think there is probably a nut on the rear axle holding the wheel onto the axle.
But clearly the 1910 body (and I think possibly very late 1909 model year body also had the 3 bolt body mounts, and raised door handle), 1909-1910 hood former etc.
If only the photo could talk.
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Maybe the guys talking about Buggy Rails in the other post should have a close up look at this photo! Agree its a 09/10 with the shape of the rear doors and a real bitsa
Alan in Western Australia
Front seat top brackets have been replaced with a later style and moved back. It has those saddle arms with the real tight bend. Interesting!
Crazy side lamps