Who makes the left hand shifter? You can PM me if you want. Thanks, Dan
so you know, there are two different shifters that I know of...one mounts directly to the frame and is held down by two "U" bolts , and one mounts in pillow blocks.
Perhaps it is the same shifter, mated to two different mounting schemes, but in any event, there are two choices to chose from...choose your poison
I was wondering if they are still being made. I know someone that was looking for one. Dan
We make the one with pillow blocks. Snyder's has u-bolts Glen
I have used several from Snyder's and they work well. They also fit beneath the floorboards on a '26-7 car, whereas the pillow block type are too tall.
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I made one for my '15 from a piece of cold-rolled steel and an extra brake handle. I used the brake control supports that are normally mounted on the bottom of the frame for the support at the frame but mounted them on the top of the frame, welded up the rivet hole and ground off the tab where it was. It was easy, cheap, and looked great coming up through the hand brake hole in the floorboard. Oh, I also widened that hole by cutting the plate and welding in a couple of pieces of flat strap. I sold the car early this year so can't take pictures, but I'm sure you get the idea. It looked much better than the one you can buy.
I have a friend who bought the nicest untouched original '23 touring you will ever see. Someone ruined part of that originality by drilling four unauthorized holes in the frame for one of those shifters. To each his own, but to me that ruined the car. I have Ruckstells in every T I own, and have NO PROBLEM with the original location.
You can always build your own out of old Model T parts.
Just wondering.... Who authorizes holes? Is there somewhere we apply for authorization?
Ford sure didn't authorize them, so why damage a perfectly good car?
I will authorize them, for a small fee.
If we're doing a "group authorization", I'd like to get on the list for 7 holes. I only need to know who to send the pertinent info to These will be 5/8 inch holes.
Gary, I generally don't authorize more than four holes per person. I have heard that people will "go in" with a second party to increase the number of authorized holes, but it should be noted that holes obtained in this manner are in fact not authorized.
I have also heard of folks turning holes into non-holes. This requires no authorization.
That is funny and informative.
The no-authorization-required turning of holes into non-holes is quick, easy, and non-traceable. Because of this, I never could see making a big deal out of making an extra hole here and there. I even made a couple in my fender, to accommodate my non-authorized aftermarket spare tire carrier.
I finally found the picture.
Actually, it needed two holes in the fender and two in the running board.
Mike, would you like to get your tire carrier authorized? I would do this for you - for a small fee, if you so desired.
It should be understood that any hole or accessory authorized by me carries the full weight and benefit of having been authorized by me.
Tom, that last sentence "It should be understood that any hole or accessory authorized by me carries the full weight and benefit of having been authorized by me" has me sold. I'll be submitting two authorization forms. One for 4 holes and one for 3. Please let me know where to send the funds.
Mike, that is a great opportunity you've been afforded to get that tire carrier authorized. I understand the cost of authorizations will be going up in 2018
Talk about drift. Dan
Dan, if you have properly authorized holes, and they have been drilled (or punched) straight and properly, they can be tapped without any discernible thread drift.
While I'd like to have the authorizations before year's end to avoid the cost increase, I'm not sure I could afford them even at the lower rate. There's the authorization for the spare carrier, the two holes in the fender, two in the running board on this side, EIGHT in the running board on the other side for the tool box and step plate, four in the frame for the left-hand Ruckstell shifter, and the list goes on and on. Do you give volume discounts, Tom? And are you certified to authorize drifts?
Mike, I have to admit that I am not a certified authorizer. In fact, I have only authorized two frame holes in my entire career. But, to my credit, I believe that the aforementioned authorization was entirely successful as I have received NO COMPLAINTS from any of the involved parties.
I am not a certified un-holer either, but I have un-holed dozens, perhaps hundreds of holes.
Left hand shifter makes it much easier to shift a Ruckstell or other Aux Tranny. Much easier to throttle back as you shift. I use a modified Emergency brake lever and shaft. The Car does not seem to mind the extra holes..
The reproduction shifter that I tried to use is made wrong, interferes with the rear wishbone connection and the square instead of splined shaft makes it almost impossible to align the shift handle with out bending it. I had to modify it quit a bit to make it work.
Now I see Tom beat me to a really good pun-ch line
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S-o-o-o does any one make a lefty shifter ? I have a keen interest because I have center door sedan....as you may know, it is tough enough to get between the front seats to pilot the car, the idea of an extra shifter is a big no thank you !...also forgive my ignorance, but can someone explain what "pillow blocks" are ? I still have so much to learn....Thank you all ! respectfully, John
I have an original Ruckstell center shift in our '19 Centerdoor - it's not too bad to jockey around to get in - but then, I'm not a big guy either !
Oh, pillow blocks are a bearing assembly.
Mike I have the pic of your other unauthorized holes on the passenger side tool box and step, Good luck with your volume discount! Hope the pics helps Tom with the paperwork!
LOL, love the discussions about "authorized" holes!
Where do I receive training to get a certificate designating me as an approved "hole authorizer"?
BTW, I decided to install the Ruckstell shifter in the stock location in Betsy and have had no issues with moving the throttle as needed for shifting. I do have to do a little more gymnastics with my big feet to get in and out of the driver's seat, though.
Mark, did you get authorization for the hole you put in the floorboard for the Ruckstell shifter???
John F. Stephens,
Pillow blocks are the bearing mounts that the cross shaft is supported by.
There are a few available. (The last photo is from Chaffin's Garage.)
Chris, the hole for the shifter is only one of the unauthorized acts of butchery that I did to my floorboard. I also notched the parking brake slot so that the board could be slipped sideways off the parking brake handle, and cut a big hole in the passenger side for my heater grate!
Not to mention the excessive slicing of the floor mat for the Rucksell shifter, and using the choke knob as a hat rack!
By the way...
Larry, please accept my comments as the good natured ribbing that they are intended to be, and don't give up your quest for absolute originality.
We need someone to do the research and put in the effort to dispell the myths and document THE TRUTH on exactly the condition and configuration these pieces of history left the factory back in the day!
While restoring my 1913 runabout, I located almost 10 non authorized holes that I had to get welded up. It makes me feel better that I have corrected others mistakes, and it cost me $100 to do this! Mark, you need to learn how to cut a hole in your floormat!!! How about an authorized Merry Christmas to all!
Merry Christmas Larry, and to everyone else as well!!!
LOL Larry, I do need to get another floor mat! When I order the mat for my '25 touring body, I'll pony up and get two so that I can try again.
The drawing in the older thread below shows the location and orientation of the hole required to allow full travel of the Ruckstell center shifter. Notice that the hole is angled 8 degrees to the right from straight ahead.
On first glance, you wouldn't think that such a small hole would be sufficient, but it is! I guess it's because the pivot point for the shifter is so close to the bottom of the floor board.
When I measure out cuts for floorboards and floormats, I always use the same reference point. If you don't, you're inviting a mistake! BTW, those Ruckstell floorboard trim plates are far too big, and are unneeded. As Mark mentioned, you don't need a very big hole for the shifter.
I have one of those trim plates and decided not to use it.
If somebody wants it, PM me with your shipping address and I will slip it into an envelope and mail it to you as a Christmas present.
I don't think there is a Model T out there that has not been modified. Even Ford modified them.