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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Joe Van Evera in the U.P. of MI. on Saturday, December 30, 2017 - 12:41 pm:

I found this on the ole interweb.. Don't know if it's ever been discussed here before, but talk about nonsense... at least to me.... Anyone ever come across this?

Model T with a magnetic engine.

When automobiles were first being developed, there was serious competition between the various inventors vying to be first to market and in a big way.

The vested interests did not want automobiles because it would change their world, requiring them to alter their business stance or adapt to a new world where competition would run rampant. Competition means hard work to stay even or get ahead of the pack, so life is easier when everything is crystallized and fixed. The comfort zones were well established and would be maintained any way they could.

The first year model Ts built by Ford had a special flywheel and housing that was said to have been designed by John Worrell Keely and sold to Henry Ford. Ford bought the design as a form of insurance because of all the harassment he was getting from vested interests not wanting to see him succeed.

After 20,000 to 30,000 cars went out, Ford was threatened by oil and gas interests trying to coerce him to shut down production. It was not made clear who these forces were or why they were trying to put Ford out of business.

After the first year of manufacturing Model Ts, efforts were renewed to shut Ford down. At this point, Ford then gave THEM an ultimatum, either leave he and his family alone or he would send every Ford Model T owner a set of cow magnets which fit in special slots that were cut into the bell housings on the first year run of cars. This bell housing was cast into the engine block and not a separate unit as on modern vehicles.

The flywheels were the hand cranked units having Vee magnets. They were magnetos that when cranked, moved the magnets past a coil to produce a very high voltage/current to spark the plugs. It produced a vicious spark.

Once the cow magnets were placed in the slots, the hand crank was turned and the flywheel would spin on its own, generating up to 40 HP and completely self running.

You had to get the flywheel spinning to a minimum rpm before the magnetic drive effect would take place.

Ford told his opponents that all Model T owners would then be running their cars for FREE, not requiring any gasoline or other fuel. And that the principle would be copied and applied to all machinery.

Once Ford's opposing forces verified the truth of this, they instantly ceased all attempts at intimidating Ford and his company succeeded beyond their wildest dreams.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard Eagle Idaho Falls on Saturday, December 30, 2017 - 12:56 pm:

I have not heard that one before. It is a great example of how imaginations can get carried away with a little bit of knowledge.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George Andreasen on Saturday, December 30, 2017 - 01:16 pm:

Sounds like he's trying to describe the Selden patent dispute......sort of. The rest sounds like the over active imagination of a 12 year old at mommy's computer..........


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Strange - Hillsboro, MO on Saturday, December 30, 2017 - 01:17 pm:

cow magnets? :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary Schreiber- Santa Isabel Ecuador on Saturday, December 30, 2017 - 01:19 pm:

George, most 12 year olds have their own computers :-)And that doesn't include iPhones, iPads or iPods, all internet capable :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Peter Claverie, Memphis TN on Saturday, December 30, 2017 - 01:23 pm:

Wait.... Magnets on a flywheel producing power to drive a car, with no fuel at all to keep it running?

Hay, that's the elusive Perpetual Motion machine everyone in the world has been trying to make!

And to think, Henry Ford had it all along and didn't use it!

Horsefeathers!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dean Kiefer - Adams, MN on Saturday, December 30, 2017 - 02:07 pm:

My Model T is one of those cars that Henry was experimenting with. I was keeping it a secret up until now.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace, North FL on Saturday, December 30, 2017 - 03:00 pm:

Joe


You left out "the rest of the story" :-)
From the internet....you know it's true!

My contact said there were three fellows who got wind of this story several years ago. They secured a first-run Model T and found it did indeed have strange slots on the bell housing. Magnets were inserted and when they cranked it, the flywheel began to spin on its own.
Based on this initial verifying experiment, they eventually produced a 40hp version which was self-running, using the same magneto system.

A demonstration was scheduled in a larger city and two of the men drove the prototype to the demonstration, the third man was ill and could not attend.

The demonstration went off without a hitch and was enthusiastically received. Plans and contacts were made for duplicating the prototype for further tests that would be followed by marketing.

As the two men were driving home late that evening with their prototype, their vehicle was run off the road.

The next day, their vehicle was found overturned, both bodies lying in a ditch with their throats slit and the prototype was gone.

The third man who had been too ill to attend the demonstration packed up everything and went into hiding.

Word is, this man is still alive, very paranoid, yet he has not given up on the principle and has gone even further in his development of the principle.

Henry Ford Sr. was born July 30th, 1863 and died on April 7th, 1947. Keely died in 1898. So there is a nearly a 40 year period when they could quite possibly have known each other.

Ford did make trips to Manhattan and being of an inventive mind would have heard of Keely, who was written up in many papers and magazines from 1872 until his death in 1898.

It is not too much of a stretch to envision Ford attending one or more of Keely's many public demonstrations (as did Tesla who I have NO DOUBT copied much of Keely's discoveries using electric current instead of mechanically produced vibrations, but that is another story soon to be posted).

Also note that many prominent businessmen and socialites were Keely sponsors and supporters which would also have gotten the attention of the young Ford since he was also trying to establish a business and would take any edge he could use.

You are probably wondering how Keely could have come up with a self-sustaining magnetic engine design since he worked primarily with acoustics. Quite simple really, since his motors used acoustic forces to drive them, it follows that the pattern is the same for any ALTERNATING energy flow, including magnetism.

Here are two version of his motors, Keely Motor 1 and Keely Motor 2.

The various claims for PMMs (perpetual motion machines), whether magnetic or gravity driven, always require a restorative kick to keep it running. This follows for the current Hamel device where he uses wobbling cones to restore the rotational force.

A flywheel or weighted arm mounted on a horizontal shaft so that it rotates in a vertical plane, will fall by the force of 'gravity' and inertia will push it past the 180 degree point and up to about 270 plus degrees. At that point, you have to use a 'kicker' to push it past the 360 degree point so that the rotation will perpetuate.

Just like pushing someone in a swing, if you time your pushes just right, you can drive them in ever higher arcs and eventually over the 360 mark.
Panasonic manufactures an ultrasonically driven motor that could provide a template for a permanent magnet version and there is a patent for an automobile engine which uses vibrating plates.


One other point about the Model T claim is the engine used a weighted crankshaft, that was why the vehicles would vibrate from side to side due to the inertial kick of the weight. I am also told that these engines could also idle at very low rpms, something on the order of 100 or so revolutions per minute.

This story is definitely out there but should be fairly easy to prove. We are checking into it as much as we can with our limited resources.
Perhaps someone out there has access to a Model A or a Model T and can examine the bell housings on these vehicles. At this point, I think the weighted crankshaft would be necessary to the operation of the magnetic engine since it would provide the restorative force.
If you have any more information about this, please either

Email to KeelyNet
or mail hardcopies to
KeelyNet
PO BOX 870716
Mesquite, TX
75187
Thanks for your assistance.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By dale w on Saturday, December 30, 2017 - 03:06 pm:

Cow Magnets= shove them down the throat of a cow, they get stuck in the stomach(s) and grb bits of metal a cow might eat (nails, fencing bits) so they dont pass through the digestive track and cause problems downstream.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Joe Van Evera in the U.P. of MI. on Saturday, December 30, 2017 - 03:19 pm:

Dan, interesting addition to what I posted above. I wonder who the very first person was who thought he could get something for nothing??? Some caveman maybe?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Eckensviller - Thunder Bay, ON on Saturday, December 30, 2017 - 03:47 pm:

How could their vehicle be found overturned AND missing? Oh, and I guess also why was Henry Ford so married to internal combustion when he could have produced free energy engines and ruled the world?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Perry Kete on Saturday, December 30, 2017 - 03:57 pm:

I have one of these very, very rare Ford machine cars but I can only show it to you if your blindfolded because I don't want you to steal any of the magnetic mystery ideas. If you would like to not see this car please contact me for an appointment. There is a $500 minimum appointment charge to help cover the cost of the blindfold.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dallas landers on Saturday, December 30, 2017 - 04:07 pm:

Why would you want cows atracted to your fly wheel? I missed something? PPM's sounds like a rebuilders dream. 24/7 has to wear parts fast. 3-4 rebuilds a year? Hmmm.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Saturday, December 30, 2017 - 04:25 pm:

Joe V E asked: " I wonder who the very first person was who thought he could get something for nothing??? "

Sadly, such belief has reached global status affecting nearly all politicians, bankers, and business administrators, as well as most so-called engineers.

Sorry. Been dealing with too much bu!! $#!t lately.

Back to humor please!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Leo van Stirum, NL on Sunday, December 31, 2017 - 03:00 pm:

After 'fake news' we now get 'fake history' 😂


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Leo van Stirum, NL on Sunday, December 31, 2017 - 03:02 pm:

that &#128514 should be a ;-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mack Cole ---- Earth on Sunday, December 31, 2017 - 03:21 pm:

Horse feathers? More like Horse Biscuits!
How do you overcome the 40 pounds or so of compression of each piston with magnets? Why would all that useless stuff like pistons and rods even be hanging in the block if all you needed was the flywheel and magnets?
Who ever wrote that was smoking something that is now legal in several states.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard Eagle Idaho Falls on Sunday, December 31, 2017 - 03:26 pm:

Vanadium convexhilation perhaps?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Joe Van Evera in the U.P. of MI. on Sunday, December 31, 2017 - 04:07 pm:

Say what you want about this forums posts, etc, etc, etc, but the funniest guys live here! I enjoy that!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Aldrich Orting Wa on Sunday, December 31, 2017 - 04:10 pm:

The Model T that COULD!! (going camping?)


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