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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Friday, August 07, 2009 - 12:45 am:

Wonder what this guy's been smoking?
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Hemp is illegal because billionaires want to remain billionaires

"The Real Reason Hemp is Illegal"
by Doug Yurchey


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"And I will raise up for them a plant of renown, and they shall be no more consumed with hunger in the land."
-- Ezekiel 34/29

Where did the word 'marijuana' come from? In the mid 1930s, the M-word was created to tarnish the good image and phenomenal history of the hemp plant...as you will read. The facts cited here, with references, are generally verifiable in the Encyclopaedia Britannica which was printed on hemp paper for 150 years:

* All schoolbooks were made from hemp or flax paper until the 1880s; Hemp Paper Reconsidered, Jack Frazier, 1974.

* It was LEGAL TO PAY TAXES WITH HEMP in America from 1631 until the early 1800s; LA Times, Aug. 12, 1981.

* REFUSING TO GROW HEMP in America during the 17th and 18th Centuries WAS AGAINST THE LAW! You could be jailed in Virginia for refusing to grow hemp from 1763 to 1769; Hemp in Colonial Virginia, G. M. Herdon.

* George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and other founding fathers GREW HEMP;
Washington and Jefferson Diaries. Jefferson smuggled hemp seeds from China to France then to America.

* Benjamin Franklin owned one of the first paper mills in America and it processed hemp. Also, the War of 1812 was fought over hemp. Napoleon wanted to cut off Moscow's export to England; Emperor Wears No Clothes, Jack Herer.

* For thousands of years, 90% of all ships' sails and rope were made from hemp.
The word 'canvas' is Dutch for hemp; Webster's New World Dictionary.

* 80% of all textiles, fabrics, clothes, linen, drapes, bed sheets, etc. were
made from hemp until the 1820s with the introduction of the cotton gin.

* The first Bibles, maps, charts, Betsy Ross's flag, the first drafts of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were made from hemp; U.S. Government Archives.

* The first crop grown in many states was hemp. 1850 was a peak year for Kentucky producing 40,000 tons. Hemp was the largest cash crop until the 20th Century; State Archives.

* Oldest known records of hemp farming go back 5000 years in China, although hemp industrialization probably goes back to ancient Egypt.

* Rembrandts, Gainsborough's, Van Gogh's as well as most early canvas paintings were principally painted on hemp linen.

* In 1916, the U.S. Government predicted that by the 1940s all paper would come from hemp and that no more trees need to be cut down. Government studies report

that 1 acre of hemp equals 4.1 acres of trees. Plans were in the works to implement such programs; Department of Agriculture

* Quality paints and varnishes were made from hemp seed oil until 1937. 58,000 tons of hemp seeds were used in America for paint products in 1935; Sherman Williams Paint Co. testimony before Congress against the 1937 Marijuana Tax
Act.

* Henry Ford's first Model-T was built to run on hemp gasoline and the CAR ITSELF WAS CONTRUCTED FROM HEMP! On his large estate, Ford was photographed among his hemp fields. The car, 'grown from the soil,' had hemp plastic panels whose impact strength was 10 times stronger than steel; Popular Mechanics,
1941. ...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Adrian Whiteman on Friday, August 07, 2009 - 01:27 am:

The above uses sound interesting, and hemp really is a useful plant - but all above ideas stop short of 'inhaling it' (I nearly said smoking, but a famous person once said he did smoke it without inhaling).

Cheers
Adrian


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John H on Friday, August 07, 2009 - 01:56 am:

I thought the "plastic" otherwise known as Fordite was a soy bean product.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Stroud on Friday, August 07, 2009 - 02:03 am:

And I don't think it was 10 times stronger than steel. Dave


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard G Goelz on Friday, August 07, 2009 - 08:53 am:

During WW2, the government planted hemp along the Ohio River around my hometown of Evansville,IN to produce rope for the war effort,there were shipyards along the river,LST were made in Evansville,and Jeffersonville,with other ships,barges being built in Troy and Tell City.Republic also built P-47 there at what is now a Whirlpool plant.I had a customer in Ukiah,Ca Real Goods Trading co that produces all sorts of hemp products.
Rick


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce Peterson on Friday, August 07, 2009 - 09:20 am:

The writer of that article was smoking something when he did his research on the Model T.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Friday, August 07, 2009 - 09:56 am:

I get emails all the time with data like this. Rignt now they're on healthcare. If I find one part, like above, I know is BS, I toss the whole thing, although they always have some real facts.

The full article is on an Economic Populist forum I frequent: http://unlawflcombatnt.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=corporations&action=display &thread=5515

rdr


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Grady Puryear on Friday, August 07, 2009 - 07:01 pm:

Just goes to show you how dumb, ignorant or provincial we were back then, we knew all about hemp ropes, used them every day, but the popular usage of today was never even mentioned. I doubt seriously if anyone I knew or that was in our part of the world even knew about such stuff, but we also threw away the morphine syringes in first aid kits because we were afraid of becoming "dope fiends". The world she has changed, and not for the better.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Friday, August 07, 2009 - 08:18 pm:

My late Dad said it grew wild in Nebraska, and it was Loco Weed, like we used to read in comic books about it causing cattle stampedes.

rdr


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By michael polk on Friday, August 07, 2009 - 09:46 pm:

i grew up in western nebr. hemp grew wild along the north platte river iused to ride my horse along the oreagon trail and the platte from scottsbluff to morril then to torrington wyo used to scare my mother to death my being gone for 3-4 days i could stand on back of my horse and not reach the top of the plants every time the platte flooded it would reseedand grow againno one used it or smoked it except the indians from the rosebud reservattion and the mexican labors that were seasionalin 1949 -52


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By bob down on Monday, September 14, 2009 - 09:25 pm:

From:
Popular Mechanics, December, 1941

Over in England it's saccharine for sugar; on the continent it's charcoal "gasogenes" in the rumble seat instead of gasoline in the tank. Here in America there's plenty of sugar, plenty of gasoline. Yet there's an industrial revolution in progress just the same, a revolution in materials that will affect every home. After twelve years of research, the Ford Motor Company has completed an experimental automobile with a plastic body. Although its design takes advantage of the properties of plastics, the streamline car does not differ greatly in appearance from its steel counterpart.

The only steel in the hand-made body is found in the tubular welded frame on which are mounted 14 plastic panels, 3/16 inch thick. Composed of a mixture of farm crops and synthetic chemicals, the plastic is reported to withstand a blow 10 times as great as steel without denting. Even the windows and windshield are of plastic. The total weight of the plastic car is about 2,000 pounds, compared with 3,000 pounds for a steel automobile of the same size. Although no hint has been given as to when plastic cars may go into production, the experimental model is pictured as a step toward materialization of Henry Ford's belief that some day he would "grow automobiles from the soil."

When Henry Ford recently unveiled his plastic car, result of 12 years of research, he gave the world a glimpse of the automobile of tomorrow, its tough panels molded under hydraulic pressure of 1,500 pounds per square inch from a recipe that calls for 70 percent ofcellulose fibers from wheat straw, hemp and sisal plus 30 percent resin binder. The only steel in the car is its tubular welded frame. The plastic car weighs a ton, 1,000 pounds lighter than a comparable steel car. Manufacturers are already taking a low-priced plastic car to test the public's taste by 1943.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Frankenmuth on Monday, September 14, 2009 - 10:26 pm:

The writers substituted the word Hemp for the word Soybeans in all the "facts" above, as you can see in Greenfield Village. The PM 1941 page shown at the link was obviously photoshopped.

rdr


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mack Jeffrey Cole on Monday, September 14, 2009 - 10:31 pm:

You know,1 thing is for sure.Somewhere if there was a T built to run on BullS-it the fellow writeing these articals could ride free for years.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harvey Decker on Monday, September 14, 2009 - 11:14 pm:

Did someone mention Hemp?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William L. Vanderburg on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 08:00 am:

Ford did design a "plastic" car, but it was never built.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 08:36 am:

Industrial hemp has many uses, none of them psychoactive. The THC level is below 0.3% compared to 6-20% in cannabis grown for marijuana.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemp#Fiber

There are interior panels in today's cars & trucks made out of hemp fiber reinforced plastics - one brand is FlexForm. http://www.flexformtech.com/pdf/2006/Composites%20World%20%20%27%20Thermoformabl e%20Composite%20Panels%27.pdf


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Alan on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 09:47 am:

Remember the movie Reefer Madness??


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Frank Harris on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 11:40 am:

The Saturn has plastic doors. Do you remember the ad where the donkey kicks the door with his hind legs and doesn't even scratch the paint ?

Modern cars all have plastic bumpers and the Corvette is plastic and fiberglass. Many cars have plastic trunk lids and the radio antenna is hidden in the material.

As I recall, the soy based plastic instrument panel molding on the 1940 Fords all got out of shape in the hot sun and had to be replaced as did radio knobs and window crank knobs.

I looked on the internet and saw a British film taken in 1940 or so about the Ford plastic car. The voice clearly says the body contained hemp but the U.S version states soy plastic. It could be that our own government controlled the wording. I do believe that the tobacco farmers and government taxing controlled many issues as well as the general population and its thinking.

If hemp growing was legal the alcohol production could be used for fuel for plastic cars but the government would lose the whisky tax money.

The alcohol tax is supposedly based on volume and not the percent. The government raised taxes on alcohol by making the bottlers cut the percentage down from 50 percent to 40 percent a few years ago. Then they went metric and made the bottle smaller but kept the tax the same. We can not win.

Model T's had some plastic parts and they have gone bad over the years. Spark and gas handles on my 12 T, early square peg ignition keys and switch handles, and coils at one time.


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