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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Patrick - (2) '26's - Bartow, FL on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 01:53 pm:

Does anyone know the history of this great Model T Forum? Who originally started it? Who came up with the user friendly format? When did it first come online?

Whoever started it needs to be recognized for doing a very good thing!

To whom it may concern. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Jim Patrick


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Brent in 10-uh-C on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 02:31 pm:

Wasn't this the one that Gus Stangeland developed? Maybe it was the other one?? :-( Either way, a lot of water has passed under the bridge with software development over time.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bruce McCalley on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 04:14 pm:

Gus was the man who originated the MTFCA web site but it has gone through several others to develop to its present form. However it wasn't any of these people who made the forum. I grew because of you people who use it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stan Howe on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 06:48 pm:

I grew, too, Bruce, from hours of sitting in front of the puter reading the forum instead of out working.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stan Howe on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 06:50 pm:

Usually, just like now, with a cup of hot and black and a couple cookies. These were compliments of the waitress at the place where I eat breakfast most days and have pink M & M's in them. They are supposed to make me think about "Breast Health Awareness Week." I'm not going there, not on this forum.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mack Jeffrey Cole on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 08:05 pm:

Yea I grew to.Sitting here just finished up my Wendys chicken nugets.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Townsend, Gresham, Orygun on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 08:13 pm:

There are only a handful of guys who are still here when I got started on this forum. I can remember for sure RD Ricks and David Dewey George Shebley, Marvin.. Who else? I can't remember the year. Maybe 2001?


We have a lot of colorful characters and a lot of turmoil that have come and gone over the years... Some people I wish would come back and some others, well...

Gus was a great resource and the torch has passed through many talented hands since that time.

I have met many forum members at tours, swap meets, the centennial, etc. If it was not for this forum the Model T would would still be in the dark ages. The computer is the best friend the Model T ever had!

: ^ )
Keith


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce Peterson on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 09:09 pm:

I think 2002. At least that is when I found it. I think many people read but do not actively participate.


Here is an early discussion for nostalgia sake:

http://www.mtfca.com/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=6&post=3348


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By jack daron-Indy. on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 09:13 pm:

I've been around awhile too.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stan Howe on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 09:33 pm:

July, 1999


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By aaron griffey on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 10:21 pm:

I came on in '99.
Gus was doing a fine job.
He would often show his own pics of trips around the U.S. and Norway. He loved Norway.
He had other interests that took him away from the website.
He was into wind generaters. He had a website for them too.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By gerald Cornelius on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 10:30 pm:

Some time ago the MTFCA advertised and sold a CD or cassette (can't remember which) of Forums 1 to Forum (?) when they evidently started a new thread or something. I bought a copy of what they had and have it somewhere in my library. Took a quick look tonight, but couldn't locate it. Perhaps somebody else has a copy.
If anybody is really interested, I'll try more effort to locate.

Gerald Cornelius
Watertown, South Dakota


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 11:53 pm:

It was late 1996, or early 1997 when Gus registered Fordbarn.com and began the Forum we have today. I joined in May 1997. There was Bud deLong, Terry Horlick, Kent Pusser, my cousin Marvin from Montana, Hal Schedler, Reid Welch, George Shebley, Stefan Schaller from Switzerland, and others from far flung places among the pioneers. Hope I didn't forget anybody who hasn't already posted on this thread. Back then, I figured we had ten lurkers for every poster, and it's probably still that way.

It grew rapidly, as did membership in the MTFCA, which went from 4,000+ members to over 8,000 in a those first few years of the Forum. It proved its worth, as it still does. A bunch of us nominated Gus for the Rosenthal award in 2001 or early 2002, and were deeply disappointed when he didn't get it. I don't remember if Gus ever received a penny of support from the MTFCA for his efforts and expenses.

Of course, there were some like Hurk (the jerk), who faked being a hillbilly while throwing up his political agenda time after time. Good riddance. Forums weren't as mature then as now, and a couple of MTFCA BOD members, who knew the internet only from rumor and their grandkids, shut the Forum down during one of those food fights in Feb 2002. Terry Horlick, who was helping Gus, was fired, without even a thankyou; just locked out. I don't know if Gus was thanked.

Bruce picked up the pieces, and did an admirable job rebuilding it, with eventual help from a few volunteer experts like Tony Cimorelli, Da Gunny.

Gus took his Fordbarn Forum and site, and sold it to a nice couple. I suppose he sold his T, but he continued in his wind generator and photography hobbies. It's been a few years since I last contacted him.

Here's the only chance I had to meet Gus in person, at the Sherman, Texas, pitstop of the 1999 Greatrace. He is a true gentleman.

rdr


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dewey on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 11:58 pm:

Egads, even here I'm an "old timer" YOICKS!!
I don't remember when I started here. Hmm. Maybe T Monk could tell us, be he hasn't posted in a while, I think the "Orphan's Fund" ran out. . . .
One thing's for sure though, the monastery hasn't cured many of the T affliction!! Hmm, I even have more than I started with. . .
T'
David D.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dewey on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 12:13 am:

Ricks,
Your posting makes me think I joined around '98 or so too. I miss Terry's postings here, we still are in touch, but not as much as when Linda's father still lived just up the hill from Terry's office. Don't know if folks around here remember Terry's P/U, Rusty. He drove it to work, had a sign on the back, "This car is not abandoned" and I stopped in one day and put a card in his windshield, "Call me! 1-800-I BUY SCRAP." :-) Although this group does have fun at times, we had a lot of fun back then too--and shared a lot of information too. I still think Gus should get the award too!
T'
David D.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken Kopsky on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 12:35 am:

I was peeking in around 1999 looking for some info for a restoration. I didn't start posting until around 2000 or 2001. What I'd like to know is what happened to all those old posts? Royce posted a 2002 thread--Where did that come from? And why did I have to re-register in 2006? (After a brief hiatus in 2005.)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Townsend, Gresham, Orygun on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 01:21 am:

Okay, I guess it was in the '90's. Of course we had Michael Paweleck back then, too. Ask him about having the gal from next door coming over to help him open up his headlights. Nudge nudge, wink, wink...
Terry is good friend and I get a beautiful Christmas card every year from Terry and Terrie. They were up here and I was riding with Terry in Toady when a transmission triple gear froze and snapped the pin with a BANG, then the car ran quiet...
Ralph, is Marvin really your cousin? He once mailed a front timing cover to me when he heard mine was broken. What a great guy!

: ^ )


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 02:32 am:

Marvin was a distant cousin. I never met him, but my brother Rich did, after meeting on this Forum. Marvin passed a few years ago.

Ah, yes, Michael Pawelek. How about re-posting your T&A pix, Michael?
And Bob Jablonski.
And Dick Lodge,
Jim Drumm, RIP
Phil Mino
Jerry Hoffman
Tom Osborn, who I usually see at Bakersfield swap
Aaron Rogahn, Pococrudo
Baybridge Sue Rohner; she must be in high angst right now, with her bridge broken
Steve Tomaso
Wayne Yeats, aka Elmo Rodge, boy racer
Cheater
Terry Woods
Alan Woolf
Joe Jeffers

I traded emails with Jim Drumm, who had been divorced some 25 years, and lived alone in a small town in the Sierra foothills. Visited him once, and he had stuff piled everywhere, including a TT with rack & pinion steering. He later sent an email, quoting somebody who asked what was going to happen with all his stuff when he died.
"What a stupid question! What do I care?"

That was the last email I received from him. Learned months later from Phil Mino that he had died.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gpclipner@hotmail.com on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 02:36 am:

I clocked in about '00, lurked for a few months, then asked questions to help out my dad with his car. Got a lot of help and learned a lot of good things. I read every thread and learn all kind of things. Have opened up some friendships and have met some of the posters. Can't wait to meet more. Wish some of the guys were still here.
George n L.A.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Les Summerscales on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 07:26 am:

Well i would like to chip in here.
As the new boy on the block i have only been with you guys for 1 whole month and i take my hat off to all of you and all the guys you are talking about.
the friendly un-reserved actions of help from America is quite frankly a breath of fresh air thank you all and your predecessors very much from myself and im sure from lots of other nationality's who tap in from time to time.

Les.....

UK...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dick Lodge - St Louis MO on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 07:46 am:

Yes, I go back to the days before the Great Food Fight. I was one of the people who wrote a letter in support of Gus's getting the Rosenthal one year. (He didn't.)

I met Ralph because of the forum. The GR was going to overnight in St. Charles and he needed some soldering done on his radiator. I arranged it with one of our local guys. Met Joe Jeffers a year or so later in Poplar Bluff when the GR was stopping there.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By DanS on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 09:35 am:

I purchased a set of Kevlar bands from Terry Horlick in 1999 when he cracked his second or third drum in Rusty, after one of those great Kevlar debates on the forum. I installed them in my coupe and they are still in there. I bought three cars and numerous parts form the classified adds section also. A great place to come to every day.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 10:51 am:

That was the 1998 Greatrace stop in St. Charles, Dick. Sorry I can't find any pix of you from then. It was a 14 day marathon for man and machine, and fatigue was serious.

Poplar Bluff 1999 pix by Dick:


upper right, a Mercedes mech from Atlanta, and Reid Welch despairing over a bad tractor wheel bearing.
LL: Hal Schedler, Joe Jeffers and me.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kenneth W DeLong on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 11:00 am:

Yup,I agree with Keith that this forum is the best thing that ever happned to the model T!! It has also been very good for me and i have learned much!! Still a long way to go and i hope even as RD says about our food fights the free flowing forum still seaks it's owne levle and keeps going!!! Not much inprovement in my spelling though!! I wish i would have got to meet Marvin,and even the hard core purist uses a DR Terry oil scoop now! RD is cool in person and maby i can talk him into two wheel brakes?? Just a joke!! Bud.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dick Lodge - St Louis MO on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 11:06 am:

Ralph, I am pretty sure I have several pictures from the St Charles stop in 1998, but I can only find one. You were going to drive into the airport for some reason and asked if I wanted to go with you. Here we are right before we left.

gr


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 11:18 am:

We must have been picking up a part, Dick, and not a person...

Remember the fears of computers and year 2000?



We had a cartoonist on board then. Where is Stan?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jay - In Northern Ca. on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 11:21 am:

I have been coming to the forum since it started out as the fordbarn back in 97. I was a network computer specialist which put me on the internet daily. This gave me the time to read over the forum multiple times a day in between my job duties. I posted questions at times but for the most part just absorbed the group knowledge without interjecting. I am retired now and still check the forum out from morning to night each day, and post on occasion, and always learn something new. Thanks to all those that help to make this Forum the outstanding resource it has been over the years. It would be interesting to know how many hits from unique users the Forum gets on the daily average so you could get an idea of the poster to lurker ratio.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 11:29 am:

Dick, that looks like the outfit the kid wears in "Where the Wild Things Are".

When I got my 1926 chassis in 1991 there was no forum, and I didn't get on here until a couple of years ago when I bought my TT project. I have to agree that this is a fabulous source of information and advice. Just within the last 24 hours I've learned about two different tools, one a simple device I can make myself, and the other something I'll start watching for at swap meets. In addition to information and advice, there's also some good entertainment here.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kim Dobbins on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 11:42 am:

I miss Herc!! I think he has a great addition back then.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Gumbinger, Kenosha, WI on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 12:07 pm:

I've grown a lot with this Forum also. I think I've been on since '95 or '96, and sold our '21 Speedster in '96 or '97 using the Swap Site.

It's been fun getting to know some of the Forum regulars and meeting them in person. Among them are Ralph Ricks, Bud DeLong, Keith Townsend, Stan Howe, Norm Kling, Hal Schedler, Humble Howard, Frank Harris, John Regan, Ron Patterson, and of course, BMcC. Also met Terry Horlick at the MTFCA Annual Meeting in Reno. Was that in '03?

I must agree that Gus is and was truly deserving of the Rosenthal Award. Perhaps we could (should?) nominate him for it next time around.

And yes, I remember Hurk and read many of his posts and the efforts to identify him. I've forgotten who he is, but kind of miss him in a nostalgic way.

There is no question that this forum has helped tremendously for our club and the hobby in general. The fast turnaround for questions and answers keeps the momentum and interest going, not only for those of us who have owned T's for some time, but especially for the newbies.

That's enough for now.....Long live the Forum!!!

Forddially, Keith Gumbinger


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Herb Iffrig on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 12:59 pm:

Kim, Hurc cracked me up with that Poodles n Noodles poem. I don't know if he wrote it or not. It was about the Road Kill Cafe.
Since this forum has become a daily ritual I have met Kim, Stan, Ron Patterson, Dick, John Reagan, RV Anderson, Bruce McCalley,Trent Boggess, and others I might not have recognized at places like Richmond for the Centennial, Chickasa, or the Ford Centennial on 2003. I might not have had the gumption to go to these places without the inspiration from reading this forum. In 2003 I had Trent at a meeting show me Henry Ford's original stock certificate at the Centennial! How cool is that?
I think it was Reid Welch who had the idea that we could have a badge for forum members to wear at gatherings so we could recognize other members.It might be something to discuss during this thread. If not I still know I will find you guys here every day.

Herb


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gus Stangeland on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 03:57 pm:

Hi everyone! Boy, what a kick - to read all these posts and remember those "good ol' days"!

Thank you, Ralph, for sending me the e-mail and the link to this forum! It seems a long time ago and a lot of things have changed but one thing has not changed, and that's the GREAT bunch of people on the Model T Forum!

Yes, I started the original website for the MTFCA. I had some trouble getting Jay Klehfoth to approve the idea. He told me Model T owners are "old" people and they don't have computers and are too old to learn how to use them! But, I set it up anyway. I was old, and I knew how to use a computer, and I figured other people could learn also. We tend to figure out how to do things we really enjoy!

Gosh, there is so much to tell, but to make it short, I'm still alive (the most important thing!), been busy with a lot of hobbies over the years. I did sell my 1925 Touring, which I bought from Royce Peterson, in excellent condition. I really hated to sell it, but I knew I wouldn't be able to restore it the way it deserved to be restored. It is now being driven around by the new owners, and it looks SUPER nice!

I still have my 1929 Model A Fordor and still drive it. Yes, I got into Winchargers and I sold that website www.wincharger.com to Terry Bryant, in upstate New York. Terry is running his entire farm on wind and solar power and really is the top man in the world for carrying on the heritage of the wind generators invented by a couple of brothers in Sioux City, Iowa in the 30's.

My focus at the moment is on photography and birding, or more specifically, bird photography. It's a fun and challenging hobby with a lot of nice people in it just like Model T'ers.

I don't want to bore you with any more, but I would like you to take a look at this website.

http://www.dmafc.com/photos/greatrace/index.htm

Click on the top left picture when the site comes up. If your pulse rate goes up just a little bit, you are still young and healthy! : )

All the pictures on that page can be clicked on to see a larger version. It was great to meet you, Ralph, at this stop you made.

Thank you all VERY much for all the kind words you wrote about me. I appreciate that very much.

I'll check in from time to time, but right now, it has quit raining here in the Dallas area, the sun is out and I need to get out and look for some migrating birds to photograph!

Gus


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR. on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 10:29 pm:

I clocked in early in '03, so I missed the Great Food Fight of '02. Prob'ly for the better, because I surely would have left with egg on my face one way or another. :-)

I do know I check in here pretty much every day, and I always learn something. I got my first Model T in 1971, had it for a few years, then moved and had to sell it. Back then, one's available pool of Model T knowledge was limited to the T'ers you knew within a few miles. Depending upon where you were located, that might be anywhere from a few guys to none. That meant you had to make most of the mistakes yourself in order to learn anything.

The internet never ceases to amaze me, and this Forum is a major reason for that. No matter what problem you're encountering with your T, someone here has been there and done that, and you can learn about it right away. It's amazing, and the Model T world is much better for it. Whoda' thunk that those of us who are interested in these relatively primitive machines would be so profoundly helped by this cyber-medium?

I wasn't around when Gus was "the man" here, but I can see that we all owe him a debt of gratitude. The same goes for Bruce, who took up the banner and continues to run with it. Also Tony, who is the silent member of the team, coming to the rescue when needed. All three of you have my thanks, and the appreciation of everyone here.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Patrick - (2) '26's - Bartow, FL on Saturday, October 31, 2009 - 07:47 am:

Thank you Gus. It must be rewarding to see what your brainchild has become and how much it helps so many people. You have truly made a diference in many lives.

For nostalgic purposes, I went back to the beginning of the Old Forum which goes back to 2002 and read many of the postings and sage advice from the past legends of the Forum. It is really good reading. Many of these fellows who once posted on the Forum several times per day on a wide variety of subjects, no longer participate. I wish there were some way to get them to come back. Anyone who knows any of them and their e-mails ought to give it a try. The Model T has not changed and we can use their knowledge, enthusiasm and dedication to the hobby. Jim Patrick


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Saturday, October 31, 2009 - 09:08 am:

There are several other early birds who have yet to chime in here, such as Fred Houston and Ron Patterson. What kind of luscious lobster do you serve in Kentucky, Ron, now that you moved from Boston area?

Ron and his bride fed John and I one night just ahead of the 2000 Greatrace. What a treat.

You've seen the sign, "A clean desk is the sign of a sick mind." What do you call someone with a spotless garage and workshop? That's Ron. I admire such industry in a person, and my wife wishes I had more of it.

rdr


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerome R. Hoffman, Hays KS on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 11:11 am:

Been here from the beginning, hooked up with RD the first time he came through town running the GR, and his buddies, George Shelby too. For you who remember it was the time of dial-up and when you uploaded a picture it was small, under 75K. The pictures in the photo gallery are larger because you would send the picture in to be scanned and then put on the server. One other option was to get the days postings to the forum as an e-mail, this worked best when on a slow modem.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dewey on Monday, November 02, 2009 - 02:49 am:

"the time of dial-up" What'd ya talk, What'd ya talk?--I"m still on dial-up; all 19K of it! Phone company won't give us any better out here, and there's no cable, nor southern clear exposure for a satellite!
And it ain't no fun 'neather, most sites freeze up, even long posts here require many "reloads"
T'
David D.


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