I need some advice. After installing my front springs I noticed a slant towards the rear of the car. Once my front axle was on it was very bad. I don't think the perches are on wrong, but I don't see a way of correcting this. The tilt was there before the axle was installed. Is my front cross member bent? I have included photos. Any thoughts...Please
I would say the car has bumped something in it's long life and the crossmember has a bad lean to the back.I would think takeing the spring back out and perhaps a couple large pipe wrenchs and 2 stout men could probably bring it back straight. I find on alot of frames,the front and back downward pointing parts will have a spread about them and have to be closed up a bit.But your intire crossmember is leaning back.
With the concern over oil pan strenght the other week on another thread,I would think this would put a strain on the pan and engine as a whole.I would address this before going further with the assembly.Your backward lean should be created by the perchs in the axle.
your axle looks backwards. Are the bosses on the spring pearch toward the rear?
your axle looks backwards. Are the bosses on the spring pearch toward the rear? Also,did you have to lift the front wishbone a lot to bolt it up? Could be in upside down.
Jack, there are no bosses on these perches as on my other cars.
The pitch is normal. It provides the caster necessary to aid in steering control. When the tires are mounted, you will also notice the wheels are closer at bottom than the top. This is camber built into the spindles.
Robert,set the axle upright on a flat surface and set a pencil in the wishbone hole. Whichever side the pencil is lowest,is the front of axle.
Ops, sorry. We're talking about two different things.
I may have led you a bit astray. Put the pencil in the spring perch hole. Sorry about that. You will very clearly see the tilt.
Okay, That explains part of my problem. I have the perches on backwards. Since there was no boss to indicate the correct position, I thought the lower end was to the rear. Thanks Jack!, and everyone else. Hopefully it will be the right pitch. If not I will try Macks bending technique. Learning something new all the time, this forum is a lifeboat!
I agree with Jack. The back side of the perch has a beveled hole where the radius rod(above the axle) slides in. The front of the perch is a straight hole . Check I think the perches are backward giving you that slant. If this is not the case find two strong guys like Mack suggested.
btw...Since my perches have no bosses what would be thier vintage?
I have the bending bar from an old dealership,but it would take several big boys to bend an axle very far! I've actually stood on it and it made very little difference in the axle. What you are really doing is bending the front wishbone where it attaches to axle.
That is because you are a skinny old F@rt. I bet if I stood on the bar the axle would move. LOL
Maybe, if you had Uncle Stan help you....
No bosses mean a different company forged them for Ford, they came both ways I've read.. I beleive there was a thread on this a year or so ago. What year model is your Ford?
Axle is definitely backwards... also, you'll need to swap the speedometer spindle arm to the other side once turned around.
Warren, early 16
For the early style perch: if you were able to install the wishbone when the perches were installed backwards, then the male ends of the wishbone and/or the female sockets of the perches are worn.
The male ends of the radius rod and the female sockets of the perches are slightly tapered and designed to fit accordingly.
I believe the "boss" can only be found on the later style of perch (radius rod under axle), not on the earlier style of perch (radius rod over the axle).
Here are some photos of the early perches with the boss and machine center outlined.
Be sure you have the spindles correct. Right side ie Left Hand Threads.
It's illogical, until you really think it through. It's about the jam nut.
ERic,I have a set of pearches from about 1919-20 era,Ford script with wishbone under the axle and they have no boss on them.
Folks,are you all sure that dang crossmember aint bent?I want to see a picture of the crossmember without the axle attached to the spring.All the tilt should be in the axle,not the crossmember shouldnt it?
Frame,pearches,greasecups, ..phooey. That axle is in backwards. Flip it around end for end and then check it. The top of the spindles must lean backwards.
Does the front radius rod (wishbone) have a right side up. Does it matter which side is up or down and how would I identify.
Jack Daron mentions in the above thread that Robert's wishbone may be in upside down
Radius rod top and bottom is same on early cars, later under the axle type had a top and a bottom.
True,Warren,but if it came off that car and had been bent up or down,to get the axle where it should be,it sould go back the same way.
Thanks for the clarification. My car is a 1913 touring. I could not see any difference from top to bottom so I just put it in the way I felt.
Thanks to all! I am once again humbled by this machine. The perches were on backwards, and now it has been corrected. Everything now looks as it should . Having no bosses as a guide threw me.
I have several axels ,and they are all
the same will go on either way .But the perches
wont.They are left and right handed.