What year of Model T used the Victor Lamp Co. Model 2 lamp? It is a cowl lamp and it is more square shaped than what I am accustomed to seeing on a 'T.
Thanks for any info.
William,Our july of 1914 has a full set of Victor #2 lamps or all 5.I dont know if Victor ever made their owne gennerator and i think i have been told they used a JNO Brown gennerator?? If i rember right one of the T-100 cars also used the #2 Victor. Bud.
Bruce's book says 1913 and the Model 2 was a fork-mounted headlamp Seems like there were also some model2 sidelamps?
It appears to be a cowl lamp to me rather than a headlamp. It is quite large and made of brass.
Like i tryed to say before,they came in sets of 5 2 side lamps,1 tail lamp,and 2 headlamps.Bud.
Bud,I wasn't implying that they were only 13,just the first reference I ran into. Sorry.
kenneth i was not trying to argue with u either
Here is a photo of the Victor #2 sidelights and taillight for 1913-14. The early 1913 used a rare taillight with a very different shape (see photo 2&3). The late 1914 used sidelights with an integral mounting bracket, although, I am not sure that Victor made a lamp with the integral bracket.
Sorry If i sounded grumpy,i just told what i knew and it diddn't take long! Bud.Ps,If yours is a driver side in good shape you have my interst.Bud.PPS,Are you the Bill Potter who had a black Ford with the front belt pully that showed differant attachments at The Old Car Festival?? Bud.
The later 1914 Victor Model #2 side lamps have an integral bracket. I have at least one like that. Some of these late style Victor #2 lamps have a steel top instead of brass.
My lamp looks like the drivers side one in the first picture and the mounting bracket appears to be riveted on, would that be a late '14?
Different Bill Potter from the one at the show, I am sure that one has lots more money with such a setup!
The lamp is the drivers side and in excellent shape but I am not interested in selling it. You fellers will probably want to nail me to a post for this but I am putting it on a Bucket T roadster that I am building. Don't worry about me ruining a mint Ford though, All the Model T parts I am using came from scrap cars that were being parted out.
Yes, if it is a Black and Brass Victor #2 and the mounting bracket is riveted, then it is for a late 1914. I don't know what month the lamps with the integral brackets appeared. The 1914 body style was continued into the early 1915 model year for the open cars. I assume that those were the ones that used that type of lamps.
In my meager brass collection, I have three different kinds of Victor #2 black and brass lamps. They're all left side cowl lamps otherwise appearing exactly the same. One has the intergal mount, one has a cast iron bracket riveted to the lamp and the other has a sheet metal bracket riveted to the lamp. Rick, I was told by a brass lamp repairman up in MI that you have a very rare taillamp for 1913 that is considered Victor #1. Incredibly, I have a NOS pair of the raised Ford script Victor #1 cowl lamps and no use for them.
I only wish that early 1913 Victor #1 taillight was mine. That photo is from eBay of one that I got outbid (badly) on when the esnipe bids came in. I have never seen any Victor #1 cowl lamps. What do they look like? Are they shaped like the taillight?
It is times like these that I really wish I had digital camera capability. My Victor #1 cowl lamps are shaped like and share the same dimensions of my Victor #2 s with the exception of the top brass of the chimney. Its similar to the eBay picture you provided but not held on with the 4 folded over tabs. The lettering is similarly raised but 'CIN'TI-O' is used unlike the taillamp picture. And the blade mounting bracket is cast iron like your tail lamp picture.
Here is the Victor #1 sidelight
Well, I am glad I traded for the Victor #2.
The guy it got it from said he thought it was from a late teens/early twenties T but I reckon it turns out to be from a Brass Era car. Thanks for all the info. Much appreciated.
Here is a Victor #2 passenger side cowl lamp on ebay for pretty cheap right now in case anyone is in need of one
I have The Victor Lamp Co. #2 model Ford & a JNO Brown model 115 Ford for sale $400.00 for the both.
HI - HAVE A PAIR OF EARLY FORD SIDE LAMPS- (C)1900-IN GREAT CONDITION ALL STEEL-CIRCLE ON TOP HAS FORD IN SCRIPT IN CENTER- ALONG TOP-THE COCORAN VICTOR CO.-BOTTOM-CINTI.O. U.S.A.
LOOKING TO SELL TO ANTIQUE AUTO RESTORER $585.00
What Kim failed to mention, is there are TWO different Victor #1 tailights. The other one is square, and has the same top, I think, as the sidelights.
hi this is dusty corners Iam going to try and download a picture of my side lamps I had to reduce the size of my picture
Dusty, I think you need to do a little research. Your price is just a tad high. Dave
Dusty, not only are they a tad to high, the one on the left is a tail light that is missing the red lens.
I have a set of two...Ford - The Victor Lamp Co. - Cinti-o, Model 2 (Model T headlamps, with riveted (4) mounting brackets. From what I read here they are for 1914 -1915 Model T?
These are in good shape (except each is missing one side glass) THEY ARE FOR SALE I can send some photo's if you are interested.
Hate to break it to you salivating sellers, but there are a lot more brass lamps out there than brass era cars to put them on.. Putting one on a bucket is no loss. Gilbert Metal Products makes really nice repros, too.
There are those for who repo is not a option.Greg,If what you are calling model T headlamps have a missing side glass you are talking side lamps not head lamps.Try listing in the classifieds,MTFCI,Ford Barn,or even e-bay.
Dusty Corners, the light on the right has a 23-4-5 bracket on it worth 15-17.50, the light maybe 60-75.00, the left light is a tailight that someone has installed a clear door lens from a sidelight, w/ correct red door might be worth 60-75.00 LONG ways from your price
First I am not salavating!!! These lights are from a relatives estate, and I found this forum trying to determine what they belonged to. I have NO idea if they are originals or reproductions they appear very old!! I have NO idea of there value, just thought someone here may know more about them. Also thought and end user or collector using this forum might be interested in them (I can get photos to send a seriously interested person). Could be they are only worth the price of Brass scrap metal for all I know. Would appreciate a kind education as to what they belong to. Thank You...