What car does this rearend belong to?

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2009: What car does this rearend belong to?
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John T. Tannehill III on Saturday, May 02, 2009 - 06:52 pm:

I have come across a rearend that I thought was a T rear end but on closer look it is not T but looks very close to a T rearend in looks. Any Ideas of what it goes to? Thanks John


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John T. Tannehill III on Saturday, May 02, 2009 - 06:58 pm:

another picture


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John T. Tannehill III on Saturday, May 02, 2009 - 06:58 pm:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul Mikeska on Saturday, May 02, 2009 - 07:23 pm:

It looks like a 06 to 08 NRS rearend.

Paul


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By "Hap" (Harold) Tucker on Saturday, May 02, 2009 - 08:00 pm:

John,

If it is approximately the same size of a 1915 – 1925 rear axle housing – then it is a 1906-1908 Model N, R, S, or SR rear axle. Below are a couple of pictures for them. They look very similar to the 1915 -1925 rear axles. And in fact Ford tried the pressed steel rear axle housing to save weight and cost with the 1909 Model T but continued to have troubles until he returned to a design very similar to the N, R, S, & SR rear axle housing. You can even fit the later Model T inside parts with minor modifications to the housings & parts. The axle shafts are the same diameter as the non-tapered 1909 – 1911 straight axles and the rear wheels will interchange between the two cars but wheel flange size is a 1/2 inch smaller and the wheels are also smaller (28 x 3 or 30 x 3 depending on the model) on the N, R, S, and SR than the 30 x 3 1/2 wheels on the Model T.



Below is a picture from Bruce McCalley's 1908 Sales Brochure he has posted on line on our MTFCA site. It shows those emergency brake rods.



If the axle is a total of 4 inches wider than a standard 56 inch tread Model T rear axle then it is a 60 inch 1908 wide track model. But if the housing is a lot larger or smaller than a standard T then it will not be the N, R, S, or SR axle housing. If it is about the same size if you look at the bracket that holds the rear spring & rear radius rod to the axle – it can tell you if it is a 1906-07 or a 1907-08 axle. If you post a picture of that it is easy to tell. Or I can dig up some photos or draw and illustration if you cannot post a photo easily. We need to see how the hole for the rear axle radius rod lines up compared to the rear axle tube. If it is 90 degrees to the tube – it is the early 1906-1907 style. But if it is slanted then it is the later style.

Be sure to check that pile of parts closely. Several of the Model N, R, S, & SR parts look very similar to or are almost mirror images of the Model T parts. A few like the front spring, rear hubs, front wheel bearings are the exact same part and others such as the rear brake shoes interchange without a problem.

Respectfully submitted,

Hap Tucker 1915 Model T Ford touring cut off and made into a pickup truck and 1907 Model S Runabout. Sumter SC.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By "Hap" (Harold) Tucker on Saturday, May 02, 2009 - 08:03 pm:

John,

My bad, looking at the middle photo you posted -- I can see the rear axle radius rod hole is at an angle rather than perpendicular to the axle housing. That would make it a later 1907 to 1908 rear axle housing. Although changing that part can make it a 1906-early 1907 rear axle housing.

Respectfully submitted,

Hap Tucker 1915 Model T Ford touring cut off and made into a pickup truck and 1907 Model S Runabout. Sumter SC.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Herb Iffrig on Saturday, May 02, 2009 - 10:16 pm:

Were the brake backing plates on the NRS axles flat on the brake side like on the first model t's or were they dished in like the ones in the picture?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Saturday, May 02, 2009 - 11:00 pm:

Great find, John.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul Mikeska on Saturday, May 02, 2009 - 11:28 pm:

I had to go look. The backing plates are not flat.



Paul


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ed Baudoux on Saturday, May 02, 2009 - 11:41 pm:

Nice find! By the looks of Hap's post above, it is worth 80 dollars!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul Mikeska on Saturday, May 02, 2009 - 11:48 pm:

Ed,

LOL. I would pay 80 dollars for it even though it is not in new condition!

John,

Nice find. It looks to be in good restorable condition.

Paul


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