Spark plug blowby

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2009: Spark plug blowby
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Voss on Tuesday, June 09, 2009 - 04:34 pm:

I have a stock head with motorcraft plugs. I am get some gas leeking around threads on the plugs. Is this a problem? Is this normal?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Tuesday, June 09, 2009 - 04:49 pm:

This is caused by the threads being worn. I have been able to successfully fix this by wraping aluminum foil around the plug before inserting it into the head.
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jeff Humble on Tuesday, June 09, 2009 - 04:55 pm:

Tim,
A leek around the plug is not normal. The spark plug holes are a pipe thread, they are tapered so the deeper you go the tighter they get. Your Motorcraft plugs may be the problem, try a Champion X and see if that solves the leek.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim in Indiana on Tuesday, June 09, 2009 - 04:55 pm:

Tim, I have a T that has some thread wear.Most do. Champion 25s' seem to leak less in this engine than Autolite or Motorcraft. I don't think a slight leakage is a big deal.I use all of the above plugs with good service.The ultimate,though,are original Champions if you can find a good set.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Stroud on Tuesday, June 09, 2009 - 05:06 pm:

I used a couple of wraps of Teflon tape on the spark plugs. Worked good for me. Dave


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Vince M on Tuesday, June 09, 2009 - 05:07 pm:

Plumbers tape worked well for me.

Vince M


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Voss on Tuesday, June 09, 2009 - 05:10 pm:

Thanks I am new to T's. I have a set of newer Champion X so I will give this a try.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Neil Kaminar on Tuesday, June 09, 2009 - 05:35 pm:

Teflon tape works good for me too.

Neil


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Voss on Tuesday, June 09, 2009 - 05:45 pm:

I pulled the Champion in took the car for a spin and I see no blow by. Thanks Tim


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Jablonski on Tuesday, June 09, 2009 - 07:15 pm:

Gotta check the new re-pro Champion plugs..... check for sharp threads. If they're flat , no sharp cut, the plug will leak compression. This goes for any other brand of plug also.

I sent back a new Champion set, complained & received a set with sharp threads...... no leaks .


Bob Jablonski


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By BarryDeLong on Tuesday, June 09, 2009 - 07:22 pm:

Wear & tear over the years. Buy or borrow a 1/2" NPT tap, load the flutes with grease, and gently run it down the plug holes until it snugs up, but not too far....The grease should catch any shavings for you.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Tuesday, June 09, 2009 - 08:07 pm:

If you have the blowby, you might not be able to "see" it, but when you are pulling hard, such as uphill, you will hear it.
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerry VanOoteghem on Wednesday, June 10, 2009 - 09:47 am:

This comes up every so often. It's caused by malformed threads on the new plugs. Unless the threads form a nice sharp "V" you'll get leaks. You can use any of the sealing schemes above. Most of the time the leak is not large and poses no problem but can make a small mess. Don't just reef down tighter on the plug, especially if you've got an aluminum head.

Yes, it's possible that the threads in the head are to blame but when you mentioned the new plugs I immediately thought of the obvious and common problem of bad plug threads.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary Tillstrom on Wednesday, June 10, 2009 - 10:08 am:

Pipe threads need either teflon tape or pipe dope to seal. Plumb a house without using such and you will have leaks even if you are using fresh cut threads. I agree with the tape suggestion and also offer permatex on the threads will correct the slight leakage you are experiencing.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Voss on Wednesday, June 10, 2009 - 10:11 am:

I don't know the age of the Champion X plugs but they are over ten years old and they are the take apart kind. Being pipe thread I do worry about over tighting the plug.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Butler on Wednesday, June 10, 2009 - 10:58 am:

Military pipe thread tape was suggested to me and works perfect, here is a link to mc mastercarr below.

http://www.mcmaster.com/#military-specification-pipe-thread-tape/=298rlb


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William Cuddy on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 03:35 pm:

Barry suggested getting a 1/2" NPT tap. Since these come in various threads, what is the TPI please?

William Cuddy


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Gregush on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 03:46 pm:

William, try this link it should provide the information you need as to threads per inch.
MarkG
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/npt-national-pipe-taper-threads-d_750.html


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Seth Harbuck, Shreveport, LA on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 03:48 pm:

14 TPI

Seth


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR. on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 05:32 pm:

William -- The threads are pipe threads, not bolt threads. There is only one standard 1/2" pipe thread.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Fenton on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 09:34 pm:

There are different classes of pipe threads. NPT found on black iron or steel pipe does not have the sharp crest or root on the threads so without a sealer it will have a spiral leak. NPTF. "F" for fuel threads have a sharp crest and root on the threads and as the threads are tightened the crest and root make contact first. as the threads are tightened the crest crushes slightly completely filling the spiral gap and as tightened further the sides of the threads make contact and the seal is complete. These NPTF threads are also called "dryseal". Re tapping the female thread will not help as others have said,if the spark plug is missing the sharp thread.
Many people are confused regarding pipe thread sizes as on average the thread measures approx 1/4 " larger than the named size. The size refers to the inside diameter of the pipe which the thresd would be on. Therefore the 1/2" pipe thread on our spark plugs measures about 3/4".
Sorry for rambling on. John.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Robb on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 10:25 pm:

Wouldn't wrapping the threads with tape - whatever kind - be insulating the spark plug from its ground, thereby rendering it inoperative? hmmmmmm?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David_Cockey on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 10:30 pm:

Wrapping the threads with tape would insulate the spark plug - if the tape stayed intact. But the threads cut and/or rub through the tape to make the electrical connection.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William Cuddy on Saturday, June 13, 2009 - 02:03 am:

SETH

Thank you for that information. I have ordered a Snap-On 1/2" NPT tap 14 TPI and will give it a go. I will let you know my result. Thank you.

WILLIAM CUDDY


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Seth Harbuck, Shreveport, LA on Saturday, June 13, 2009 - 07:47 am:

My pleasure, William, as always. You should be in business with that tap. Coat it heavily with grease before chasing the threads in the head and nothing will drop into the cylinders.

Seth


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