1921 Ford Model T

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kim Zobel on Monday, July 13, 2009 - 10:44 am:

We have a 1921 Ford Model T that we inherited from my wife's father. It has been sitting around gathering dust and is rusty. Looks like most parts are there. It will need a lot of work. We have the title which says it is a style TRG. We have several guys that are asking to buy it and have no idea what it is worth. Can anyone help us with a ball park price or send us to a website that could? Thanks


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jeff Humble on Monday, July 13, 2009 - 10:46 am:

Pictures?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By paul griesse on Monday, July 13, 2009 - 12:55 pm:

Heres the Gold Book Guide:1921 FORD Model T Dsp/HP Eng Fair Good Exc Show Loan
CENTER DOOR SEDAN 1921-22 176/20 4C 6,000 10,500 14,000 24,000 9,500
PANEL DELIVERY 1921-22 176/20 4C 3,800 6,300 10,500 15,000 5,700
COUPE 1921-22 176/20 4C 6,500 11,000 15,000 20,000 10,000
STAKE TRUCK 1921-22 176/20 4C 5,000 8,500 11,000 16,000 8,000
GROCERY DELIVERY 1921-22 176/20 4C 7,000 10,000 14,000 19,000 9,000
ROADSTER 1921-22 176/20 4C 9,000 13,000 17,000 22,000 12,000
DEPOT HACK 1921-22 176/20 4C 7,500 11,000 15,400 21,000 10,000
TOURING 1921-22 176/20 4C 10,000 14,000 18,000 23,000 12,500

Doller amounts are FAIR GOOD EXCELLENT SHOW & LOAN
Data updated May 2009.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Al Thomas on Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 01:51 am:

Hum... always wanted to try this...

Here's the Gold Book Guide:

MODEL TYPEFORD Model TDsp/HPEngFairGoodExcShowLoan
CENTER DOOR SEDAN1921-22176/204C6,00010,50014,00024,0009,500
PANEL DELIVERY1921-22176/204C3,8006,30010,50015,0005,700
COUPE1921-22176/204C6,50011,00015,00020,00010,000
STAKE TRUCK1921-22176/204C5,0008,50011,00016,0008,000
GROCERY DELIVERY1921-22176/204C7,00010,00014,00019,0009,000
ROADSTER1921-22176/204C9,00013,00017,00022,00012,000
DEPOT HACK1921-22176/204C7,50011,00015,40021,00010,000
TOURING1921-22176/204C10,00014,00018,00023,00012,500


Hope it was ok to try this on your information...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Alex Alongi on Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 02:13 am:

Al,

Those prices look mighty high. Especially in todays eonomy. From what Kim is describing, without photos, maybe 3,000 or thereabouts.

Alex


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kim Zobel on Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 08:09 am:

Would the TRG in the title stand for Touring?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Alex Alongi on Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 08:22 am:

yep


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerry VanOoteghem on Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 08:48 am:

I would agree that those are very optimistic prices. I would agree with Alex's guesstimate of $3000


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jeff Humble on Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 08:59 am:

Kim,
You won't find a better source for model T information then some of the knowledgable guys on this site. But that being said, you will need to provide more information than a model T titled 1921 possibly a touring and it is rusty and needs a lot of work. You can throw out that gold book guide, 10k for a fair condition touring is not anywhere close to reality, and a "Panel Delivery" and "Grocery Delivery", what the heck are they, the only delivery car made by Ford was in 1912, big indicator that these guys do not know what they are doing.

Now if you could provide some pictures of the exterior, interior, and engine, this would be useful to determine a value. Also provide the serial number on the enigine block, it is located just above the water inlet on the left side of the engine, that will confirm the year of manufacture of the enigine, although many engines were replaced and do not match the year of the body. Next, does it start, does it drive, will the engine turn over or is it frozen. All important information to arrive at a fair market price. Or put it on e-bay and let the market determine the value. Some people have asked the worth of a car described like yours, rusty and needs a lot of work, and pictures posted later turn out to be a pile of rusty parts. Others have given a similar description and the pictures posted turned out to be a "barn fresh" unrestored and complete car with original paint and upholstery, but by modern car standards "it is rusty and needs a lot of work".


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dewey on Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 10:27 am:

Strange numbers indeed. Note that if you are going to loan someone money to buy a car, the loan value falls between the "Fair" and "Good" categories, indicating all the other prices are inflated!
But I agree with Alex and Jerry, these values are so out of reality that they should just be ignored (unless I'm the one selling. . . :-) ).
Kim, you need to post some photos too. "dusty and rusty" are too vague to really know what you have.
T'
David D.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill Rigdon on Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 12:17 pm:

Kim: Not sure where you are in Iowa but, since you are not familiar with the market, I suggest you contact your closest MTFCA chapter and ask for a member to take a look then give you an unbiased opinion. It's good that, even though you obviously don't have an interest, you will be getting the car back into circulation.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kim Zobel on Wednesday, July 15, 2009 - 09:18 am:

I will get some pictures for everyone to view. I really appreciate everyone's comments. My wife and I struggle with what is a fair price. Give me a couple of days. Kim


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kim Zobel on Friday, July 17, 2009 - 07:57 am:

Here are a few pictures I took. I do have more if need be. Looking for any ideas on what a selling price would be and the model. Kim


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By James on Friday, July 17, 2009 - 08:00 am:

New glass, a little dusting, evict the mice, and she looks good to go.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR. on Friday, July 17, 2009 - 09:58 am:

Kim -- You asked about the "model". If you mean body style, it's a Touring Car. If you mean year model, it's a 1919-22. Based upon your pics, I'd say it should sell for about $2,500-3,000. There's a lot of time and money between what you have there and a finished car. Aside from the purchase price, it would take about 10 to 15 thou to restore it to the point where it would bring $10K. On the other hand, it looks to be fairly complete, and it would be a good candidate for restoration if someone wanted one like it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By dmc on Friday, July 17, 2009 - 11:04 am:

How come no one commented on the little model T peeking out in the corner of the 2nd picture?
Dan


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By karl v schlachter on Friday, July 17, 2009 - 11:12 am:

Yep, the one in second pic looks like an early brass car is it not?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ross Benedict, Calgary on Friday, July 17, 2009 - 11:17 am:

Is it a mini version like what the Shriners might use in parades?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf on Friday, July 17, 2009 - 11:53 am:

Even if it runs, or could easily be made to run, it's likely to need a considerable investment of time and dough. Tires and new glass are the obvious expenses, probably followed by lots of suspension and steering work (king pins, bushings, shackles, bushings, tie rod bolts, bushings, etc.). You might get lucky and find somebody with more money than knowledge willing to pay $4000 or even $5000, but I think that $3000 figure is more likely. Maybe the way to go is to put it on ebay with a "buy now" price of $4000 and see what happens. Sometimes items on there go surprisingly high.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kim Zobel on Friday, July 17, 2009 - 12:41 pm:

The little car runs and we have the grand kids ride around in it. I guess you could call it a Shiner's car! Kim


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim in Indiana on Friday, July 17, 2009 - 02:09 pm:

Over 25 years ago I went with a friend to an auction in southeast Iowa.Gobs of T stuff.My friend and I struck up a conversation with a man from western Iowa.Ida Grove even sounds right.But,this has been awhile ago.Anyhow,this guy,in his early-mid 60s' in the early 1980s' mentioned he had a mostly original T touring at home.One exception to original, he said,was a Fronty head.It would sure be interesting if this was the man and his car! Look under the hood.If it happens to have overhead valves instead of the stock flathead,you just hit the jackpot.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kim Zobel on Friday, July 17, 2009 - 03:48 pm:

Here is an engine picture.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf on Saturday, July 18, 2009 - 12:23 am:

Looks like a stock engine and head. The location of the coil box over the engine like that is a 26-27 feature. Replacement engine? The engine serial number is on the side of the block above the water inlet, under the coil box. That will tell you the date the engine was manufactured.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Seth Harbuck, Shreveport, LA on Saturday, July 18, 2009 - 12:33 am:

Homespun firewall as well - there was never a wooden firewall for a T without holes for the coilbox connections.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dewey on Saturday, July 18, 2009 - 02:54 pm:

Kim,
Interesting pictures--in some ways they bring up more questions than they answer! So, the engine and firewall seem to indicate various year parts and some home-spun modifications. the dash photo shows bare wood on the passenger door, so that upholstery, at least is not there. No pics of the pedal so we don't know if it has a very late tranny in it, and no pictures of the rear end, so it may be stock or a rucstall (sp?) and may or may not have accessory brakes. Then there is the body wood, is is still solid, or new wood needed. Wheel spokes, what condition--all this woodwork isn't cheap! Otherwise, it does look very presentable.
Yeah, without further info, an informed purchaser would think in the $1,500 to $3,000 range--around these parts anyways.
T'ake care,
David D.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Bucci on Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 01:46 pm:

I have a 1919 ford model t touring car. It has a highspeed rear end. It has 3 pedals; reverse, brake, and clutch and first gear. Original oak wheels with a spare tire mounted center rear. Our vehicale has a new converdibal top. Leathar seats. color is blak. Vehical is also black in color. excelent coditoin. If you are intrested with this antique please contact us at
401-884-0826 or janmb61@cox.net. If you would like, we will also send you pictures.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Gumbinger, Kenosha, WI on Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 02:23 pm:

To John Bucci - With all due respect, your for sale ad should not be listed on this discussion forum. It should be put on this clubs "Classified Ads" site which is free and would probably get you much better results. The "Classified Ads" site can be found as one of the selections on the home page.

Best wishes, Keith Gumbinger


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric Hylen on Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 07:49 pm:

Kim,

It looks like a pretty complete barn-fresh Model T Touring. It appears to be typical '21 vintage with a newer motor or at least a newer coil box. Does it still have it's top assembly?

These guys are pretty close on the value of your car. At $1,500, it's a steal and any one of us would come snap it up within a few days. At $2,500, it's still a pretty good deal and should sell within two weeks. At $3,500, it may take a while to sell. At $4,500 or more, you may own it for years.

Your best bet for a quick sale at a fair price will be Ebay. Give the car a good washing, try to get it running (a runner brings more money than an unknown) and list it with a reserve to find out exactly what it's worth.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Al Thomas on Thursday, August 13, 2009 - 03:32 am:

that looks to be in very similar condition as mine was... I paid $3000 just not knowing any better... I'm pushing $11,000 into it now and haven't even started on the body or interior! (and no, I'm doing the work, that's just parts!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf on Thursday, August 13, 2009 - 06:08 am:

Al, don't feel like the Lone Ranger. I think that's a very common experience. It's not at all unusual to see an ad for an antique car with something like "$15,000 after a $25,000 restoration". I sure don't expect to come out ahead financially on any of my old stuff.


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