1926 Fordor restoration...continued from 2016

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2018: 1926 Fordor restoration...continued from 2016
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Booth@ Bay City, Mi on Friday, January 12, 2018 - 05:47 am:

This is the original link to this project..
http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/599638/676491.html?1482422995

This is the 2017 link to this never ending project...

http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/708324/801289.html?1514820643

and the saga continues...May there be light at the end of this tunnel.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Booth@ Bay City, Mi on Friday, January 12, 2018 - 05:52 am:

Finally getting some paint on some things. The winter has been so cold and with zero humidity. The past two days it warmed up and I was able to do some spraying.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Spencer Vibert - Granby ,CT on Friday, January 12, 2018 - 06:51 am:

looks good Don what color is the body


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary Schreiber- Santa Isabel Ecuador on Friday, January 12, 2018 - 07:45 am:

You're one step closer Don.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Joseph A. Stearns on Friday, January 12, 2018 - 08:08 am:

Looking very nice Don. That will make a happy customer


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Booth@ Bay City, Mi on Friday, January 12, 2018 - 08:21 am:

Spencer, the owner wants it maroon or as close to the original "red" he can get. I'm stepping back when it comes to choosing the paint. The stuff he's looking at is in the $800.00 per gallon range. Its hard to be comfortable dealing with expensive paint...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill Mullins Spokane Wa. on Friday, January 12, 2018 - 09:23 am:

Don what type of paint do you normally use.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ed Baudoux Grayling Michigan on Friday, January 12, 2018 - 09:48 am:

I can't wait to see all three of our Fordors parked in a row. Black, Green, Maroon.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Booth@ Bay City, Mi on Friday, January 12, 2018 - 09:59 am:

Bill, the black on this car is said to be the "blackest" paint you can get. Its DelFleet polyurethane code base 9000 single stage. I like it for sanding and cut and polish. It REALLY is a pitch black color. I also like how it covers and lays down, makes for a little easier job. But, I'm no expert on paint or painting cars. I'm sure others will have a different opinion, and that's ok.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Booth@ Bay City, Mi on Friday, January 12, 2018 - 10:02 am:

I have always used PPG single stage paints. Base coat clear coat hasn't come to be with me yet.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric Macleod on Saturday, January 13, 2018 - 07:56 am:

Ed,
I'd be willing to add a fourth car to the line up. Four Fordors has a nice ring to it, doesn't it?
Eric


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Gumbinger, Kenosha, WI on Saturday, January 13, 2018 - 01:00 pm:

Eric, What color is your Fordor? Just wondering as I have a '27 Fordor that is a light colored maroon, kind of a wine color. I don't like it and think the paint supplier mixed it wrong, but I'm stuck with it now.

We're in the process of installing a rebuilt engine and new upholstery on it now. You can see a picture of our Fordor on my profile picture.

Keith


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ed Baudoux Grayling Michigan on Saturday, January 13, 2018 - 02:11 pm:

Eric, do you think our forefathers would have foreseen four Fordor Fords at the forthcoming festival?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dallas landers on Saturday, January 13, 2018 - 02:26 pm:

Don that is looking great. Looking forward to more photos.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Zibell, Huntsville, AL on Saturday, January 13, 2018 - 02:56 pm:

Don,

I used the color code in the encyclopedia for Windsor Maroon. http://www.mtfca.com/encyclo/P-R.htm Yes the PPG paint does run about $800.00 per gallon but it is single stage. You can see the color on my profile page.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ed Baudoux Grayling Michigan on Saturday, January 13, 2018 - 03:12 pm:

John Z, that color is Fantastic! I had a difficult time deciding between maroon and green for ours.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Booth@ Bay City, Mi on Saturday, January 13, 2018 - 03:42 pm:

I should clarify that I'm using the Delfleet black on the interior trim pieces and other smalls. The body will be painted with PPG Concept DCC 51068 Windsor Maroon. The fenders and splash aprons will be Concept DCC 9300. Both single stage acrylic urethane.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Booth@ Bay City, Mi on Monday, January 15, 2018 - 09:48 am:

John Zibell, can you confirm the paint code number that you used? I'm assuming the PPG 51068 is the same color. I would appreciate any help you can give me on it. Thx.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Booth@ Bay City, Mi on Thursday, January 25, 2018 - 03:16 pm:

With the paint still wet, this is what we got...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dallas landers on Thursday, January 25, 2018 - 03:22 pm:

What a beauty.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Booth@ Bay City, Mi on Thursday, February 01, 2018 - 06:03 am:

Doing some wet sanding and buffing. This color is weird and changes with the amount of light on it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Rogers - South of the Adirondacks NY on Thursday, February 01, 2018 - 07:21 am:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Denny Seth - Jefferson, Ohio on Thursday, February 01, 2018 - 08:06 am:

The body is beauTiful but I don't think the doors and windows will hold up very well in bad weather.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Booth@ Bay City, Mi on Thursday, February 01, 2018 - 08:41 am:

Denny welcome back!! I missed your critiquing. This setup is perfect for winter drives. It gives one the full experience of Michigan in the winter time. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary Schreiber- Santa Isabel Ecuador on Thursday, February 01, 2018 - 08:48 am:

Color/finish looks great Don !!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Walter Higgins on Thursday, February 01, 2018 - 08:55 am:

Looks very nice. Several Concept colors seems to suffer from dramatic color shift. Some dark blues can look purple in different lighting conditions. I did a fender respray on a very old medium blue job that was probably synthetic enamel and while the Concept could be made to match in one lighting scenario, it couldn't be made to match every scenario.

Nobody makes a blacker black, though. Most other blacks look brown when put up next to it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Booth@ Bay City, Mi on Thursday, February 01, 2018 - 06:17 pm:

Thx for the kind words guys. Walter I agree completely on the Concept paint. It really can be deceiving from any angle. I used a black epoxy primer before laying down the maroon and I actually have to take a bright light to every square centimeter to see if I missed a spot. But this paint is so much easier to work with than any others I've tried. It wet sands in less than 1/4 the time of others and buffs out to a deep rich luster. So far I'm sold on it but I guess that's why it costs so much.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Duey_C-west central, MN on Thursday, February 01, 2018 - 10:14 pm:

That's just beautiful Don!
And people might wonder why I'd like to paint my 18 Runabout maroon. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Booth@ Bay City, Mi on Friday, February 16, 2018 - 04:48 pm:

Final fitting of the doors...so far so good. Knock-knock on the wood.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Friday, February 16, 2018 - 11:11 pm:

Looking very nice!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric Macleod on Friday, February 16, 2018 - 11:21 pm:

Ny dad's car is a black sedan with yellow wheels and the car gas been around since 1952. Dad bought the car in pieces for the princely sum oc $50. He painted it black with yellow wheels. The interior is largely original though it is pretty tacky now. Lets try to get the Fordors together for a photo.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric Macleod on Friday, February 16, 2018 - 11:23 pm:

Oh, one other thing. My dads car originality was dark green with a straw stripe.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Booth@ Bay City, Mi on Saturday, February 17, 2018 - 04:34 am:

I will try to get better quality pictures of this beast. Eric a few years ago I was told by a knowledgeable source that there were only about 6 or 7 Fordors in Michigan in various condition. There seems to be a bit of a surge of Fordors lately. It would be neat to see as many as we can muster in one spot. I have also been told by those that know that they are the most difficult to restore. I agree that they can be a bit of a challenge but I feel its just part of the game. The fact that you just don't see many says its important to keep them alive for the historical value. There is a guy in Grayling Mi with the identical story as yours. His Dad rides with him every time he takes it out.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric Macleod on Saturday, February 17, 2018 - 09:05 am:

I suspect there may be more than that Don. I know someone in Big Rapids who owns two, one being a Canadian car. He is often a volunteer at Gilmore and could probably be persuaded to bring one or both cars down there. I like the idea of getting a bunch of them together. Personally, while my Touring cars are both great Ts, the Fordors are better from an ergonomic perspective and are more formal looking.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric Macleod on Saturday, February 17, 2018 - 09:09 am:

I have to say your paint work looks really excellent on this car. I see what Kieth means. I think darker is better.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Booth@ Bay City, Mi on Saturday, February 17, 2018 - 10:17 am:

Darker is better...yeah to look at. But its a real bugger to wet sand and cut and polish. It seems to change shades with different angles of light. I agree that there are most likely many Fordors hidden away.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ed Baudoux Grayling Michigan on Saturday, February 17, 2018 - 11:11 am:

With 5 Fordors at Gilmore, we should have T-shirts made.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Chris Bartol on Sunday, February 18, 2018 - 12:13 am:

Well, if you get bored now that the body's nearing completion, I have a fordor in pieces that needs assembly! Come out to Massachusetts and relive your history!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Booth@ Bay City, Mi on Sunday, February 18, 2018 - 06:09 am:

Seeing how this is my third Fordor revival, I feel I'm reliving my history in a time loop...but thanks anyway Chris. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric Macleod on Sunday, February 18, 2018 - 08:59 am:

I was at Gilmore last evening and think I may have gotten a commitment from a 6th car! I like the T shirt idea.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Booth@ Bay City, Mi on Sunday, February 18, 2018 - 04:14 pm:

A little better camera...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Booth@ Bay City, Mi on Thursday, March 01, 2018 - 02:59 pm:

Making some progress on this ole gal. Interior is in and this morning the top went on her. Going good so far. Have to wait for the rain gutters to arrive.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Booth@ Bay City, Mi on Sunday, March 04, 2018 - 09:04 am:

Get'n the seats done. This is one of the fun things to do.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Strange - Hillsboro, MO on Sunday, March 04, 2018 - 09:08 am:

Very nice! :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Lynn-Colorado on Sunday, March 04, 2018 - 09:19 am:

Wow!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Denny Seth - Jefferson, Ohio on Sunday, March 04, 2018 - 09:24 am:

Looking great!

What a neat idea a built in potty chair so you don't have to stop .


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Booth@ Bay City, Mi on Sunday, March 04, 2018 - 09:27 am:

Yeah Denny just don't tailgate... :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Marv Konrad (Green Bay Area) on Sunday, March 04, 2018 - 01:29 pm:

-Don-
That talent of yours turns many of us 'green with envy'.... Lookin' real nice!

Take Care; Behave; Stay Warm (and)
"Happy T-ing!"


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Booth@ Bay City, Mi on Sunday, March 04, 2018 - 02:13 pm:

Thank you Marv, how is the rehabilitation coming along? Got the rear backrest finished today.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Booth@ Bay City, Mi on Sunday, March 04, 2018 - 04:11 pm:

And the "Love sofa" is done...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Marv Konrad (Green Bay Area) on Sunday, March 04, 2018 - 04:33 pm:

Thanks for asking, Don. It's probably gonna be another few months before 'feeling safe' about testing my limits.... I've resorted to a maintenance of "practicing my putz" in the meantime.

Take Care; Behave; Stay Warm (and)
"Happy T-ing!
-BTW- "Keep Breathing" too!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Gumbinger, Kenosha, WI on Sunday, March 04, 2018 - 04:33 pm:

Nice!!!!

Keith


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Booth@ Bay City, Mi on Sunday, March 04, 2018 - 04:45 pm:

Thank you Keith, its in the fun stage when its actually showing some progress.

Marv, we know winter has a long way to go yet. Stay the course. Be glad it didn't effect the warm months. Stay safe my friend !!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Marv Konrad (Green Bay Area) on Sunday, March 04, 2018 - 07:11 pm:

-Don-
Forecasters just raised tomorrow night's snow forecast from 3"...., now moved to 5"; wind gusts of 28 MPH. Have no worry - We'll be sending it over by you! Isn't it nice to be such a sharing soul? :-)
"Hunker down!"

Take Care; Behave; Stay Warm (and)
"Happy T-ing!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Booth@ Bay City, Mi on Sunday, March 04, 2018 - 08:05 pm:

That should make for some nice drifting Marv. However, for reasons unknown to me we get the least amount of snowfall in the state. Which can be a bummer, I enjoy a good blizzard and also enjoy plowing the snow with my Cub Cadet. Besides, how can you truly appreciate the seasons if they didn't give you a challenge now and then. Its kinda like standing on the edge of Lake Michigan (in Menominee)feeling the summer breeze and taking in that gorgeous turquoise Green Bay waters. Life has its rewards...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Marv Konrad (Green Bay Area) on Sunday, March 04, 2018 - 08:44 pm:

Take some time to stop up in Mackinac! (Just listen to the non-native pronunciations!)
BTW - Before the Fordor's upholstery - Is that the silver RustBullet as an interior sealer?

"Happy T-ing!"


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Derocher on Sunday, March 04, 2018 - 09:02 pm:

Lookin Great on that interior.. JD


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Sunday, March 04, 2018 - 11:54 pm:

Gotta add my "Looking great!" also.

Yeah, Marv, take advantage of the weather, and give that healing the time it needs.

As for the weather? Here on the Western slopes in the lower foothills of the Sierra Mountains? Just a week ago (last Monday in fact), we had about two inches of snow! Basically shut down the whole town. I live amongst wimps.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Booth@ Bay City, Mi on Tuesday, March 06, 2018 - 04:22 pm:

Got the rain gutters installed. Those things are always fun...NOT !


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis newman on Friday, March 09, 2018 - 11:16 pm:

Long time lurker first time poster, testing on your thread, looking great Don
D


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Booth@ Bay City, Mi on Saturday, March 10, 2018 - 05:08 am:

Well, welcome to the forum Mr Newman!! The credit is yours on this one. I'm painting the hood today and then the fenders and such next week. Should be ready to assemble very soon.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Booth@ Bay City, Mi on Monday, March 12, 2018 - 07:57 am:

Sealing the rain gutters and the welting on the top. This is using the Loctite PL-S30 Roof and flashing sealant. I feel its a perfect polyurethane to use for this purpose. It dries to a almost identical look as the cobra grain and welt. It will stick to pretty much anything. It also cleans up with Mineral Spirits. I love it !!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Booth@ Bay City, Mi on Monday, March 12, 2018 - 08:00 am:

Time to wet sand the hood....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary Schreiber- Santa Isabel Ecuador on Monday, March 12, 2018 - 08:55 am:

Wonderful to see.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric Macleod on Monday, March 12, 2018 - 01:35 pm:

Ooo La La. Car porn! I love it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Joseph A. Stearns on Monday, March 12, 2018 - 10:32 pm:

Hi Don, well now that is great progress and looking gooood! Iíll have to get over and check it out in person. Keep having FUN. Joe


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dewey, N. California on Tuesday, March 13, 2018 - 01:26 am:

Looks beautiful, but I have a question on the closed car roofs; Was hide-em welt originally used, or was "fold-over" welt used? My original rain gutters on my '26 Tudor fit against fold-down much better than hide-em, and I think the fold over provides better protection from water getting into the welting.
What's authentic?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Page on Tuesday, March 13, 2018 - 03:11 am:

David,
I researched this same question nearly 30 years ago when I restored our Canadian built Fordor and came up with ( WIRE WELT ) as the correct trim for the front and rear. It blends with the rain gutter insert that covers the fixings on the gutter.

Best regards, John Page, Australia.



Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Booth@ Bay City, Mi on Tuesday, March 13, 2018 - 04:57 am:

David, both the gutter and welting have no real sealing capability as far as I'm concerned. The method I've been using is to run a bead of sealant under the cobra grain. I then stretch and staple the cobra grain (SS staples) down. This hopefully keeps the water from wicking up the backside of the cobra grain and causing the wood to get and remain wet. I then run a bead of sealant over the tacks and mount the gutter base to the rails. Then after snapping on the gutter I run a bead of sealant along the top of the gutter to prevent water from getting trapped behind the gutter. I do this procedure for the welting also. The welting is a bit of a bugger to do because it tends to press against the top while you are running the sealant along it. So I end up scraping the excess and forcing it down the backside of the welting. Then with some Mineral Spirits I clean it up. This makes for a messy and somewhat miserable job so its best to tape off along the bottom of the top to keep the mess off the body. The result is the top is stretched tight and its held by both the staples and the adhesive sealant. The welting is floating between the sealant and the cobra grain and the cobra grain is floating between the sealant and the wood. Its just my way of doing it and others may have a better way, and are welcome to express their method.

(Message edited by dbooth on March 13, 2018)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Stroud on Tuesday, March 13, 2018 - 06:35 am:

Don, where do you get the stainless steel staples? Thanks, Dave


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Booth@ Bay City, Mi on Tuesday, March 13, 2018 - 07:22 am:

Dave, Home Depot has them in stock normally. They ain't cheap tho..


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric Macleod on Tuesday, March 13, 2018 - 07:40 pm:

The more I see of this thread the more eager I get to see this car in person.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Booth@ Bay City, Mi on Tuesday, March 13, 2018 - 08:00 pm:

Well come on up for a visit Eric. I should have it for another month anyway. After that it will be gone down the road. The owner does plan to do many tours with it and may eventually do the Gilmore thing.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Derocher on Tuesday, March 13, 2018 - 09:06 pm:

Great work on this beauty, I can't wait to see it when it's finished.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Stroud on Wednesday, March 14, 2018 - 03:09 am:

Thanks Don. Dave


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Stroud on Wednesday, March 14, 2018 - 06:06 am:

Don, what size staples do you use? I'm looking at 5/8"L. x 1/4" W. stainless steel staples for a small air nailer, those are the shortest that I can find. Seems to me those may be a bit long. What do you think? Should I go with shorter T-50 type? Thanks, Dave


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Booth@ Bay City, Mi on Wednesday, March 14, 2018 - 06:29 am:

Dave I have always used the T-50's. The best length for fresh Ash is 3/8". I also regulate the air pressure to the staple gun so the staples sit tight on the cobra grain but don't cut right thru it. Any longer than 3/8" seems to be difficult to sink in to the wood. But it all depends on the hardness of the wood itself. You may want to do some testing on that. I have used the 1/4" T-50's also along the sides. The 3/8" for the corners for added hold. But keep in mind the way I do the tops using the adhesive all around under the cobra grain gives a much broader hold to material, its not just the staples keeping it in place.

(Message edited by dbooth on March 14, 2018)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Booth@ Bay City, Mi on Wednesday, March 14, 2018 - 03:40 pm:

Did some painting today...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Strange - Hillsboro, MO on Wednesday, March 14, 2018 - 03:45 pm:

Wow! :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Denny Seth - Jefferson, Ohio on Wednesday, March 14, 2018 - 03:58 pm:

Beautiful! I think it's the only thing that has more shine then my head :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Stroud on Wednesday, March 14, 2018 - 04:14 pm:

Thanks again Don. I appreciate the information. Dave


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hank Cook on Thursday, March 15, 2018 - 01:16 pm:

Don, I have followed your threads for 2013 rebuild of 1927 Fordor. Nice work. I am beginning to restore a 26 doorposts and top. I am a newbie at this. Bought a top kit from Utah. Can I tack the top together using the door old posts as a guide before I actually do the door posts?
Hank


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Booth@ Bay City, Mi on Thursday, March 15, 2018 - 04:33 pm:

Hank thank you. I can tell you how I do things. When working with a top kit it must be realized that it is a close but no cigar. The top begins at the front windshield header. The header has the width that will allow you to work off from. Then you can work your way back from there. Using clamps is the best way to go. The A pillars are connected to the header. The B pillars have a tenons that fits into the top side rails. The female hole (mortise) may or may not need to be enlarged or moved in some way in order to get the B pillar positioned correctly. Once the top rail is sitting down on the B pillar then the C and D pillar can be positioned and clamped. This will give you the ability to temp mount the doors and check the fit for the B pillar. Now its a whole different ballgame if you have new un-drilled wood. The hinges would have to be positioned correctly at the same time. The tenon and mortise would need to be located correctly. Also you need to do both sides fitting the doors, pillars and top rail. Everything must be fitted correctly and marked to your satisfaction before any permanent fixing goes on. It requires a whole lot of clamps and a balance act to get it right. Once you feel the doors are correct and pillars are where you want them the task of putting them together all at the same time. The A, B, C and D pillars all have tenons that the top rails sit down on. NOW, once you work your way back to the C and D pillars you may have to pull them inward to get the shape of the rear of the body right. I hope this makes sense because it really is a complicated thing to try to explain. You can always PM me and we will exchange phone numbers and have a talk.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Christian Yara on Thursday, March 15, 2018 - 05:10 pm:

Hey Don,
Keep up the good work.
Wish I had the time and money to do that.
I would love to fully restore my t.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Booth@ Bay City, Mi on Thursday, March 15, 2018 - 07:15 pm:

Thanks Christian, I appreciate it. And yes it is all time and money. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Denny Seth - Jefferson, Ohio on Thursday, March 15, 2018 - 07:18 pm:

Don,

It was so nice of you to take that car all apart again just to show them how to do the roof.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Booth@ Bay City, Mi on Thursday, March 15, 2018 - 08:05 pm:

Well Denny, its really all I have to do. Its getting to be a looonnnggg winter~


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Booth@ Bay City, Mi on Thursday, March 29, 2018 - 04:21 pm:

The owner just sent these pictures of this car before it was dismantled.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ed Baudoux Grayling Michigan on Thursday, March 29, 2018 - 05:01 pm:

Don, it looked pretty good before. Are you sure that it didn't just need new top wood?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Booth@ Bay City, Mi on Thursday, March 29, 2018 - 05:54 pm:

It's bug food Ed, bug food.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Derocher on Thursday, March 29, 2018 - 08:41 pm:

Looks to me that it just needs a key, and a set of plug wires. You need another project...JD


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Stroud on Friday, March 30, 2018 - 02:38 am:

What's with all of the switches on the dash? Dave


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Booth@ Bay City, Mi on Friday, March 30, 2018 - 04:24 am:

Dave, best guess is it had a bunch of lights hooked up to it. But that is just a guess. There were no signs of extra mounted lights except for the cowl had a couple of holes drilled in it. Could have been something used on a farm for lighting a work area.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Vern (Vieux Carre) on Saturday, March 31, 2018 - 07:29 am:

Beautiful both before and after.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Booth@ Bay City, Mi on Monday, April 02, 2018 - 09:11 am:

Front and rear carpet is made. I have to wait for the chassis to cut the pedals in. Also need to cut the Warford and starter.,}


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Chady on Monday, April 02, 2018 - 09:58 pm:

Any ideas why the hand crank plate would be bright red? I have that same waterpump on my Fordor.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Booth@ Bay City, Mi on Tuesday, April 03, 2018 - 05:40 am:

John, I have no idea why it was painted red. There were splatters of red paint all over the entire car. I had the same thing on the '22 Centerdoor I bought.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric Macleod on Tuesday, April 03, 2018 - 06:05 am:

Man is that looking good, but i agree with the others, it looked like a good car to start with. Wait til you see mine!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don - Conroe, TX on Tuesday, April 03, 2018 - 06:46 am:

What a beautiful car....before and after.

I don't think I would've restored that car, but the restoration it is receiving is stunning.

It's always nice to watch a pro do his thing on old cars.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Booth@ Bay City, Mi on Tuesday, April 03, 2018 - 07:44 am:

Eric, Don..i agree it looked good but there were only 2 pieces of wood that was re-usable. Those dang termites had a feast with this poor thing. So basically the entire car has nice fresh ash holding it together.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Booth@ Bay City, Mi on Wednesday, April 25, 2018 - 02:57 pm:

Well this 92 yr young gal finally got her shoes on today. She has a brand new Warford to go with her new dress.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Denny Seth - Jefferson, Ohio on Wednesday, April 25, 2018 - 03:45 pm:

WOW! that is one great looking Ford! But it is a Ford-NO-doors not a Fordor!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dallas landers on Wednesday, April 25, 2018 - 06:58 pm:

Thats one good lookin gal! Looking under a 92 year old gals dress aint my thing normally but thanks for the peak Don.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Gumbinger, Kenosha, WI on Wednesday, April 25, 2018 - 07:00 pm:

Really Nice, Don!!!

Keith


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary Schreiber- Santa Isabel Ecuador on Wednesday, April 25, 2018 - 07:20 pm:

Always enjoy your progress posts Don. It's owner will get one stunning T


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Booth@ Bay City, Mi on Wednesday, April 25, 2018 - 08:23 pm:

Thanks guys...he has a Warford and 10 tooth so I think those mountain climbs are going to get flattened out.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Wednesday, April 25, 2018 - 09:14 pm:

Beautiful! Thanks again for the look-see.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Derocher on Wednesday, April 25, 2018 - 09:30 pm:

WOW!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric Macleod on Wednesday, April 25, 2018 - 11:01 pm:

Only a few hours on a Saturday and it will ne back together?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Booth@ Bay City, Mi on Friday, April 27, 2018 - 01:17 am:

Today's pic's...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ed Baudoux Grayling Michigan on Friday, April 27, 2018 - 10:14 am:

That's really shaping up, Don!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric Macleod on Friday, April 27, 2018 - 12:41 pm:

Its looking like a car!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Warwick Landy Traralgon Australia on Friday, April 27, 2018 - 07:19 pm:

How did the Warford fit Don? I had to make a cut in the the floor crossmember to allow the shifter to fit neatly.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Booth@ Bay City, Mi on Friday, April 27, 2018 - 08:25 pm:

Hi down under !! It required cutting the running board support out between the frame. Denny Newman did the installation and is fabricating a new route for that support. The shifter itself ended up about 1" from the wood cross member at the base of the front seat riser. All in all Denny did a perfect job of installing it considering shortening the drive shaft and radius rods and such. He knows what he's doing for sure. Now I have to get creative to cut the floorboards in a way that they can be removed and give them some strength at the same time.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Booth@ Bay City, Mi on Friday, April 27, 2018 - 08:31 pm:

I should add that I did have to shave the wood cross member on the bottom front edge. We didn't want it touching the Warford for fear of putting pressure on it and also creating a rattle or squeak. If you want I can take a close up of the cross member..


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Booth@ Bay City, Mi on Monday, April 30, 2018 - 11:57 am:

Finally got it out in the sun. She's coming alive!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Denny Seth - Jefferson, Ohio on Monday, April 30, 2018 - 12:15 pm:

WOW!!

You can count the number of folds in the buffing rag reflection on the door!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard Eagle Idaho Falls on Monday, April 30, 2018 - 01:38 pm:

Very nice Don. It has been fun to watch the progress of that car.
Rich


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Booth@ Bay City, Mi on Wednesday, May 02, 2018 - 06:29 pm:

Well everything comes to an end. I'm going to be sad to see this go. I still have a few minor items to wrap up and then its off to Denny Newman for the final stage and break-in. I have really enjoyed doing this Fordor and watching it come together. This most likely will be my last Fordor I restore. I can't imagine any more out there. So thanks everyone for your support and many kind words of encouragement. Don't be surprised if you see this little sweetie the owner plans on touring every chance he and his wife get. Its been fun. Stay safe and thank you everybody!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dallas landers on Wednesday, May 02, 2018 - 06:50 pm:

Don, thank you for taking us on that journey with you. Its great to see a master of an art at work. It is one beutiful 4 door. I look forward to see it in person at OCF.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Booth@ Bay City, Mi on Thursday, May 03, 2018 - 05:19 am:

Thank you for your interest Dallas, I don't think this one will be at the OCF. Last I knew they don't allow disc brakes to be displayed. The owner will be taking his TT this year. Which just happens to be my next project. The TT should be arriving tomorrow for some work.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Booth@ Bay City, Mi on Sunday, May 06, 2018 - 06:13 am:

The owner and his wife came for a inspection. They BOTH seemed quite happy with the results. That's a good thing..


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Stroud on Sunday, May 06, 2018 - 06:29 am:

And they should be!! Wonderful work Don! Dave


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Booth@ Bay City, Mi on Sunday, May 06, 2018 - 06:51 am:

Thank you Dave, it seemed endless at times but like anything else in life its how you handle it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary Schreiber- Santa Isabel Ecuador on Sunday, May 06, 2018 - 09:38 am:

Don, that 1st pic in your last picture post is now the background photo on my laptop. I can't see how the owners couldn't be anything but thrilled. Thank you for sharing photos of your work.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Walter Higgins on Sunday, May 06, 2018 - 11:42 am:

Very nicely done. I'll bet closing the doors on that sounds like closing the door on a Monitor Top refrigerator!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric Macleod on Sunday, May 06, 2018 - 12:59 pm:

It looks absolutely fabulous. What a great car!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Booth@ Bay City, Mi on Sunday, May 06, 2018 - 01:23 pm:

Gary, that is humbling....just humbling. But thank you for the complement.

Walter, the doors I fitting a bit snug but they won't rattle or pop open !! Actually they work pretty dog gone good.

Eric, thank you it turned out much better than I expected. That $800.oo per gallon of paint made a huge difference. It was much easier to work with and using Mr Newmans advice it laid down with not one bit of fisheye or chemical pop. I lucked out big time... :o


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Joseph A. Stearns on Sunday, May 06, 2018 - 07:38 pm:

That is one beautiful car you restored Don. I appreciate your attention to detail. I can see it all now

ĒDONíS MODEL T RESTORING and REBUILDING óBRING ME YOUR SICK AND WOUNDEDĒ and donít forget your check book. Iím proud of you!!! Joe


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Booth@ Bay City, Mi on Sunday, May 06, 2018 - 08:49 pm:

Hey thank you Joe, its still here for a bit if you want to get a closer look. Stay safe my friend !


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Monday, May 07, 2018 - 05:06 am:

Beautiful.

I think that has left me speechless.


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