I currently have a 1912Model T engine listed on EBay. Today I found out that someone is using my picture and verbiage and has listed it on the HCCA classified site. Using the name Bob Kleifer. This is a Scam,
The name used was Brock Kiefer!
The contact email address on the ad is:
If you are 100% sure this is a scam ad using
your photo - you can contact the HCCA individual
who proccesses the ads directly:
Contact the Webmaster, Brad Balduff at 323-913-2921
As far as I know I have no relative by the name Brock.
I thought it was a scam when I saw the same picture and location was different than the ebay listing. Bill Elliot told me about it on HCCA and I saw it last night. Who ever it is I hope someone can catch him and stop this.
Before he catches wind of you all figuring out his scam,someone needs to meet up with him and have the cops sitting around the corner and go ahead and nab his sorry behind.
According to 411.com, there is a Brock Kiefer living in Portage, WI.
I see these on Craigslist the e mails are spammers from overseas The only thing you can t track them they have bogus emails or highjack emails or phone numbers
I have called and left messages as well as emailed. No response. Hopefully no one will fall for the scam.
Add was removed from HCCA. Thanks all!
Once - just ONCE - before I go to that "Great Model T Junkyard in the Sky", I want to read about scammers like this being caught, tried and punished, preferably executed. As far as I am concerned, scum bags like this are committing capital crimes and should pay accordingly. I realize that most scammers live in foreign countries, but we also have our own homegrown variety at work. Are there no reciprocal legal agreements between the U.S. and most civilized countries to mutually combat such practices? Or are these scammers ignored - or worse, protected - by their governments as the main source of income for some of the so-called Third World countries? They seem to allow such criminals to operate with impunity and no fear of the law. How else could they continue scamming us year after year? We honest people are like a beached whale lying on the shore with scammers slicing big hunks of blubber from our carcass - and we seem incapable of fighting back.
If the money lost to scammers somehow was tax deductible or otherwise affected the amount of taxes collected by the Government (spelled with a capital "G"), I can guarantee you these kinds of illegal activities would end TOMORROW! Until then, we are on our own and at the mercy of ever-more clever scams thought up by lowlifes too lazy to earn an honest living.
Marshall, a law and order kind of guy
(and kind of grumpy on a snow-filled Monday morning)
Integrity is doing the right thing when nobody is looking. Thankfully there are still a lot of people in the world with integrity. Many of them can be found on this forum!
That's an interesting scam ad because even he would have had to pay a pretty good chunk to post an ad with photos on HCCA, would he not? Seems most scammers haunt free sites.
I'm with you, Marshall. Too bad it's pie in the sky. They don't do $#!^ to people they DO catch, much less try to catch someone doing something like an on-line scam. It will most certainly get worse before it gets better. Heck, who am I kidding? I won't get better.
Hey Marshall and Hal, here is the article of the arrest. Granted he was not the end of the line, but these foreign scammers could not succeed with out the help of scum like this.
Paying for the ad is not a problem at all for a scammer.He just uses a stolen id and credit card.
HCCA probably will find out later the money paid for the ad was not legit and will loose the money.But being the scammer is somewhere in a far away land with out conscience it would cost them a fortune only to find out there was no way to recoup the lost funds. So the scammer gets away scott free once again.
It happens the world over. A few years back a 23 Roadster (part of an estate) was listed on the public auction site of a reputable Car Auctioneer (if such exists) here in New Zealand. I was interested and was a bidder. At the same time, the same car (and pictures) were listed as a classified advert on "Pre-war cars" in UK. Implication was that the car was in UK and they were asking about 3x what the 'current' bidding figure was. I managed to track the seller to a Rural address outside London. The reserve was too high and the car did not sell at the auction.
Reckon what they will do to the guy? Probably slap his wrist. I like Marshall's idea better.
Twice, in the last two weeks, I found cars listed on the local Craigslist that I would have been interested in buying. One was a Willys Knight an the other a Packard. In researching,meaning Googeling, I found both cars advertised elsewhere for higher prices. I responded to both ads and told what I had found and that I was suspicious. Both ads dissapeard from Clist very quickly thereafter.
Maybe instead of going to meet one of these scum bags and having the police waiting around the corner, it might be more effective to not bother the police and just take care of the problem with a pick handle.
This thread is going in the wrong direction.
Advocating death for theft is way off base.
I miss the days of Buy Lines. The fact is that there are many more crooks lurking about these days. I have had nothing but bad luck trying to sell vehicles on Ebay and Craigslist. Very well organized scum.
Hey Hal, Maybe they could give him a one way ticket to Nigeria with a grocery bag full of dirty underwear and no chance to come home.
Freighter Jim, It was a figure of speech, I would never advocate killing someone for theft but a little ol time justice / education might be a viable solution. Guess we think a little different here in Idaho. Sorry if my post offended anyone.
I found another Packard listed on a nearby Craigslist that was also on another site several states away. I notified the other, probably legit, seller of the situation. The Craigslist "seller" only used one picture out of several on the legit(?) ad.