OK, Boys Vote YES, or NO, who wants me off of hear? Just remember, I am not going to change, I talk from my experiences!

I will leave with the, Yeses. No Problem.

WTH ?

FJ

No sir

Herm, I want you here.

And what, do a Royce? so a big "NO" from me!

Alright. Nobody move.
Just cuz you and Frank can't play nice? Bah.
Nope, stay and have another cup of coffee.

a beer!!

No way Herm, you stay put. Your experience that you share on this
forum is very informative and appreciated.

Absolutely NOT. I want you here to teach me things I haven't even dreamed about. I respect your opinions and experience. I appreciate your time in writing and posting comments here.

Not sure what a "yes" or "no" will get me so I say there will be a huge hole in this fourm if you were not here. Guys like you are a big help to guys like me. STAY PUT!!!!!!!!!!!!

What's up? You're not going to let some crybaby shove your butt out are you? (if that's what's actually going on. Just assuming). To he*l with that. You've given out more solid information than most of us blow hards ever could. Calm down and keep typing.

No

NO

I don't think the name calling helps anybody but it does make for comical reading.

Carry On both of you guys

NO. I appreciate the contrasting views and shared experiences from both you and Frank; though I do agree with Gene.

(Message edited by mkossor on January 31, 2018)

stay

Herme: You are the one that I would most want to stay on the Forum. A lot of these Jerks that arque own one T that some one else got running and they drive it once a month across town to an Ice Cream Place and think they have done a big deal.

Stick around Herm. I'm always learning something from you.

Herm, where else would we get gems like your right brain left brain contribution? We need stuff like that.
I vote no!

Allan from down under.

Stay!

That’s your call.....

Willis

This is what I think about anyone leaving. When someone leaves for whatever reason it leaves a big hole in our knowledge base. Jim

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9hSgs0ITI0

Like Rickey Nelson sang in the Garden party song.

"You cant please everyone So You Ya got to please yourself"

We need people with knowledge and expertise such as Yours on the forum, everybody contributes something,some more than others.

Stay on the Board we need your input.

At least on this forum You don't have board administrators who smother free speech and are laying in wait like snake's in the grass ready to strike and kick you off the board for no good reason, except Your post took issue with one of their Good Buddies view of how the world should be. There are very few posts on that board any more because the radio police are listening and when there is no reasonable expression of ideas and opinions allowed there is nothing much to talk about. No connection to The Frank on this Board.

I may not like everything you post and may even say WTF..but bottom line, a BIG NO!

Please stay Herm! I highly value what you say.

Stay on the forum! Don't let one or two people chase you away. You obviously know what you are doing.

People are very funny, strange, silly, sometimes stupid creatures (Hey, why should I pull a punch?).

I must have missed something again. This about you and Frank again????

A little side drift (Me? No way).

Something not generally known. Only a few very close friends are aware of this. And, NO, I will NOT reveal names or details enough for anybody to figure out who. In such a close-knit, friends and families sort of hobby such as ours, it had to happen. Two of my long time, best, closest, friends, can barely tolerate each other. A few common very close friends are aware of this, and sort-of maybe understand why. Just some silly, deep, personality clash. Hundreds (literally HUNDREDS) of people know them both. They are both active in several clubs, in common. They wind up on boards, committees, and lots of tours together. And very few people are ever aware of their mutual feelings. For the good of ALL, they worked it out, and they get along. I, for one, am grateful for that. I am sure that several other close friends in common are. Because none of us would want to have to chose between them, for anything. Both are wonderful, active in the clubs, knowledgeable, and helpful people.

A couple other two people I thought I knew.
Many years ago, for work, I ran a service call. I worked on some equipment, and then went to the clubhouse/meeting rooms where the business office was to discuss the results of what I had found. A local resident that I happened to know was there, talking with some of his friends. Off to the side, I was talking with the site manger. All of a sudden , the manager says "OH SH!---". I look over my shoulder to see another local resident had just walked into the meeting hall. Someone else I thought I knew, and liked. Within seconds, these two people that I had thought I knew, and dealt with on local system issues on several occasions, were in a full-on knock-down drag-out bare-knuckle punching fest! It took the manager and four other residents (who all obviously knew what I did not) to pull them apart.

Yeah. People are funny. Sometimes there is some unknown underlying character trait that they are not even aware of. But they just don't mesh well together.
I am very pleased (and proud of) my friends for recognizing this in themselves, and both learning to "deal with it".

Unfortunately, sometimes I think these issues are worse, not better, in open forums where the nuances of face-to-face communication are sometime lost on the typewritten pages (especially with mostly short posts).

I will say, that over the years, there have been a few people come and go that were NOT a loss when they left. Again, I don't want to say who. And certainly MOST of the people drawn to model T forums are intelligent, and contribute to those forums. Other than a few spammers and scammers that came just to sell inappropriate products anywhere they can trick their way onto, I cannot think of a single person on this forum in more than a year that I would like to have leave. And I can think of a dozen I wish would come back, or post much more often. Including, if not especially, Royce.

If this is about Hem and Frank???? (I don't know if that is what it is about or not?)
I would not want either one to leave. Both often add valuable information on a variety of threads and subjects.

I might hope both could tone down the name calling and p!$$!ng matches. Nobody wins with those. But if they cannot? I will do what I have done before, and stop reading that thread. If a thread is a good subject? Or important question? Somebody can start a new thread, and ask for a "tone-down" on it.

That is is my rambling opinion.
Sorry guys. I like both of you.

stay here

No

Oh PLEASE! Why all the drama? Somebody (Anybody, Herm or otherwise) want to leave? LEAVE! It's bad enough when somebody has to make some grand announcement that they are leaving, which is almost certainly a means of garnering attention and sympathy. Now we have a poll to see how many people WANT someone to leave? PLEASE!

I'm with Willis. It's your call. I don't care either way. You wanna leave. LEAVE! You wanna stay? STAY! Make up your mind and quit making a big deal out of it!

Hal pretty much nails it..

If you have an interest in Fords built from 1896-1927 or so, then by all means, stay.

If you no longer do, or you cant stand having someone else disagreeing with you on obscure technical minutia and mechanical trivia, maybe you do need a break.

Dont take a poll, make a decision.

No

I vote for Hal Davis. Thanks for speaking up, Hal. jb

Stay - From Another Iowan Who Always wants To Learn From The Knowledgeable!! John

Stay.

Stay or go, nobody should need to be begged either way. Grown ups welcome. Civility and professionalism should be the name of the game in my opinion. Golden Rule.

How dull life would be without different opinions.

How boring the candy dish would be if all jelly beans were the same color.

This Forum is somewhat like a nice big sandbox - different folks, different toys, different ways to build the sand castles.

Let's be nice and appreciate each other's ideas...look at the "improvements" to the Model T - water pumps, synthetic oil, fuel pumps...etc.

Herm you must stay!!!!!!!!
Andre
Belgium

I like to get information from all angles. In other words different points of view. I'm not one to have tunnel vision about repairs being in one certain way. That's what makes this site so interesting.
There is always more than one way to skin a cat. The more ways the merrier!

NO. Stay please.

Stay. Everyone might not agree with you, but you have a lot more experience than most of the others. Scientific studies might be just fine if one is to develop a new product, but with one which is over 100 years old, first hand experience is what proves things.
Norm

There is room for everyone and every point of view here. It is my hope we can discuss things without driving folks away. The knowledge, expertise and sharing of experiences and ideas have made this forum second to none. Most of us try to present our stories and information in a thoughtful and constructive way. I hope this continues.
Rich

"Most of us try to present our stories and information in a thoughtful and constructive way."

If that were done in this case, we probably wouldn't be having this (Dare I say "Ridiculous") discussion.

"Most of us..." bo{

NO !!! STAY.

Some posts don't belong on this forum, and once in awhile, a post appears that really belongs on the "classified". And then, once in awhile, there's one that's just plain "SILLY", and belongs on neither!

Stay.

Stay! Please do not become a "former poster" on the forum. There are others that have left and are missed by many. Whenever someone leaves, their knowledge and experience goes with them. Some of us need all the help we can get!

NO! Stay and keep posting. I agree with what Dennis R posted(above).

I think that "voting" is one of the most important aspects of a free and/or democratic society.
Once in a while, however, it would be nice to have a good set of options to vote for or against.

I can speak from experience that the only thing you will get from becoming a "former poster" is sad, separated from your friends, miss out on some good camaraderie, get hair growing out of your ears, become an IRS audit target, your source of 600W will dry up, your motor will develop small, unusual noises that are hard to track down... and you'll be tempted to buy cars that have a model number midway between 480 and 500, formal neckware on the radiator shell, and like to break rear axles... or even worse, air cooled flat 4's that leak as bad as Lizzie...

Or at least most of that's what happened to me when I did that. Best thing I ever did - was come back. Quote me on that!

Unless you give up on the hobby altogether, I recommend staying. Because even if you have a tiff with another member, it's only ONE person out of a whole huge group of maniacal, insane Fordaholics.

Stay put. -Anyone who doesn't like what you have to say can skip to the next thread.

Its you choice solely
Opinions are plentful

Stay, just don't be a jerk. Not that difficult. Most people in person know how to be gentleman. Do the same online. Then stay.

You asked.

Here's my 2 cents worth. This forum is for everyone interested in model t's, regardless of your politics, religion or for that fact your personal opinions.

Why should we be asked to salve your ruffled feelings and pumping up your ego, by voting to have you stay around? I for one don't care either way and would not waste the effort to prop up your bruised ego.

Put you big girl panties on and decide for your self, either stay or go. Keep in mind we faced this similar issue with Royce, he pouted and then left. Guess what after a few days he was easily forgotten and that same with happen to you. If you decide to leave so be it then you to will be yesterdays news and soon forgotten.

I dare say don't cut your nose off to spite your face. By posting here offering your expertise, I'm sure your business has prospered. So by your getting in a stit and leaving will only cost you money, seems to me as a business man for nearly 50 years, that is a very poor decision on your part.

just sayin'

brasscarguy

Stay with us Herm....

The Herm vs Frank Topics have been most educational and entertaining. Please dont take away my entertainment and teaching! However, a poll to ask members to plead you to stay is not the way to go! Everyone is entitled to an opinion. It is up to us to all to read the opinions and make informed decisions on the information tabled. Plenty of great information on the last Frank vs Herm installment!

No

Well the votes are in- are you staying or what?

Here's the irony. We all have an opinion but don't always express it unless there is something to react to. When there are differences, then polar knowledge also pours out. Without differences, most people stay quiet and no one learns.
Vern

Stay as we all need the information. Grow up and cease the name calling--on both sides, and we all will learn something! Thanks, Bill

What a stupid post.

Amen Ron...amen

You guys are just blind if you can't see Herm just wanted his ego stroked, and damned if everybody don't keep stroking it. I can't believe some of you. Do you really think he would leave if you didn't tell him to stay? Do you really feel like if he does stay, it was because so many of you talked him into it? This whole thing is just plain stupid and look how many of you fell for it. Jeez!

Hal- Thank you for pointing out the obvious. In my above comment when I said "what a stupid post" this is exactly what I meant. This topic has absolutely nothing to do with Model Ts, It's all about a commercial vendor who needs to have his ego stroked. It's bad enough that he promotes his business free of charge 24-7 on this site, but then has the gall to ask people to "vote" for his supremacy?? The strokers are just as bad. The moderator should delete this whole thread.
And you know what else-there are a lot of great engine builders out there...and there always have been.

This Is A Question For The Ages ...

It Has Been Debated By Man For Centuries ...

Consider This


@ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkzG3xyZYLA

FJ

Such righteousness..

Ron & Hal- aren't you guys stooping to his level? "I can't believe some of you" - "This whole thing is just plain stupid" - "what a stupid post" - "The strokers are just as bad"

This kind of negativity always amazes me.

So Tim, YOUR picture of a crying baby is supposed to represent something positive??!!

Or this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-dW7z0QBNg

or perhaps this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Z_H11F7WDI

And your reviving this thread after it had (mercifully) lay dormant for nearly 10 hours with your "well the votes are in.." post is also supposed to be a positive??

Nonsense.

Put on your thick skin and let the "excrement" some people throw at you, roll off. The rest of us who support you, will know who the troublemaker, is. Those are the kind of people who need "to take a hike". Each member of the Forum needs to be civil, and as my parents always told me, "If you can't say anything good about someone; Don't say anything at all".

"If you can't say anything good about someone; Don't say anything at all".

One might wonder if that is why there were no "Yes" votes.

Come on guys- the negativity isn't good for you...

enjoy your posts

NO

Well, Hal (Davis), even I said that "haters" ought to "take a hike", but sice I didn't mention any names, I don't think that qualifies as saying something bad about someone. Maybe I'm bending the rules.

Since, not sice in above post.

Terry- you're in trouble now. You violated Ron's official forum rule by bumping this thread (that was declared "stupid") to the top!

It's yours choice, Herm

Seems to me some are getting an edgy case of cabin fever..... Take a step back, then take a deep breath. So 'Who?' has the problem????

Take Care; Behave; Stay Warm (and)
"Happy T-ing!"

Oh crap, I thought this post was about Prez Trump.
Don't give up stay in for the long haul Herm. Heck I've been married for 47 years and we have different political affiliations. Its called agree to dis-agree.

Herm,
What r u trying to do commit Forum Suer-cide.
Clubs r 4 all of us. Some of us r crazy I agree.
It comes from old age, too much money (to buy the REAL stuff), or a nose stuck in the place making the sewer drip. Purists think differently. Those of us who put our cars together from just parts are sometimes frowned on. Even though some of us make our cars so exact that it is very difficult to tell which is which. I LOVE original (real ones) as they aid me in my searches for my cars and work to be right. But as far as Ford cars of the early years go... which IS totally right? It's guys like you who help.
PS I just lost a fellow classmate from High School. He started a Pontiac club here locally. Died of cancer (smoked all his life). He was a cantankerous old coot sometimes. I asked him shortly before he died... WHY? He replied that it made him laugh to watch the conversation go crazy on his forum. "I got a rise out of em". ??? Dumb I thought. But that was him! Even back in high school I NOW remember (because he's gone). Yep! He was doing it then also. I had to look deep within myself to see it. One does this some after someone is gone. But, IT WAS him. True HE did not think how the other persons felt.... but that was just him. He never was grouchy to me. But I have seen him do it on E's and his forum. He seemed to be another person.
Herm I try to donate my experiences "how"I did it to my cars but a lot of times I hear flak back so I just go away and don't participate for a couple of years as I am thin skinned too. I try to not be the BIG cahuna or the know it all but when I catch flak or uncaring words I just back into my OTHER cars and go on with life. Sad isn't it? But some of us DO have feelings (and great cars or we use to). Mine are all in parts and rust unassembled. Many on the forum do not build their stuff and do not know the fun or frustrations of finding real original parts cheaply to add to their car that they have spent a lifetime gathering parts. In FACT they actually HATE me for finding or using the original part on MY car. Like a child they are. But do not quit. Don't give in. Some of us need your knowledge. They need to remember
Sooner or later we ALL end up in the grave. And that car they loved so much, is now owned by someone else. I saw a 1910 touring car once many years (many) ago made into a hot rod. The owner had died and the wife sold that car to a fella who would keep it the same. He did not. I bought some parts from him for my car someday. While he put a Mustang engine in it. Drove it around and sold it. ??? Some of us only build while others only tour. I do not have that kind of money it takes to tour. So I just build and drive them a little before I sell them. Seems that the next owner is the one making all the profit. As they sell for a lot more money then I sold them to that owner.
A CLUB should be welcome to all.

Ok, I will ride the wave a little longer.

I am though, much surprised that the yeses, and Noes weren't turned around, that's the way it has always seamed.

I also got 63 Noes on my Web Site e-Mail, Most said they wouldn't want to post on here, about this. Some said they don't post at all.

Where can I get some of those Shameless Free Ads you are talking about, that I can make thousands of dollars with, well, it just doesn't exist Davis-SE.

Then, SE Davis, an EGO, really, anybody that knows me, knows that is a long way from the truth.

Davis-SE, after reading your posts several times, I can see, that if you had as much Jealousy you have, stuck out of you, as you have stuck in you, you would look like a Porcupine.

Davis SE, I don't ever remember of anybody stroking my EGO. My girl friend read that part, and and said, I wouldn't start with your EGO.

You know, SE Davis, The first post you ever involved me in, you were derogatory, and nothing has changed with that. I see now, you even have , Suck Up Help Now! Heck, you could even start your own MS-13 Gang, with the rest of the 8 to 10 members.

Frank, L.O.L., I don't have any problem with you at all. I did think it was funny when you were one of the first to put in a NO, so as to shed off possible under laying fault.

Well, enough Fun, and merriment.

P.S. to all the people that I have helped with machining, and rebabbitting questions over the years, you can still call, as before, nothing has changed.

Thanks,

Herm.

Well Herm, you would not win a competition in diplomacy, but I appriciate your sharing of knowledge - even though not always in line with my experience - or believe.
And that is what makes the world turn around.
So stay.

I say stay that’s for sure. I’m not aware of what happened or with who but your input has always been informative to me!
Alan

No possible under laying fault from me Herm, I never implied you should leave the forum, must have been someone else's suggestion!

Herm,

I guess you need to go back and re-read or have someone read to you, my posts. I was not the one who said anything about any free ads. Jealousy? Please! You are the LAST person I would EVER want to be like! You are WAY off the mark there. As for your other statements, I don't have time to try to muddle through the incoherent babbling to try to even figure out what the hell you are trying to say. As for your sexual innuendo, what are you? 15 years old? Please.

For the most part, Herm, I don't give you a second thought, which is why I said I didn't care one way or the other whether you stayed or went. And I don't. Not that I ever thought you would leave anyway. You just keep continuing to keep score. It makes you feel good. That's fine with me, man.

Good Day.

I was not the one who said anything about any free ads. " END QUOTE "


I apologize, that was Brass Car Guy, which is all so way wrong!

Herm.

Sure would be nice if you two could put the past behind us...shake hands, and get back to spreading around the wealth of knowledge you both have.

We readers would become so much more enlightened about the quirks (and possible repairs) to the beloved Model T.

Peace guys???

WOW, I have to say I'm disappointed with this entire post. Please, let's all keep it about the hobby, and do our best to help each other enjoy it.