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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Darel J. Leipold on Thursday, April 26, 2018 - 12:29 pm:

Ford today announced it will phase out most cars it sells in North America. According to its latest financial release, the auto giant "will transition to two vehicles" -- the Mustang and an unannounced vehicle, the Focus Active, being the only traditional cars it sells in the region. Ford sees 90 percent of its North America portfolio in trucks, utilities and commercial vehicles. Citing a reduction in consumer demand and product profitability, Ford is in turn not investing in the next generation of sedans. The Taurus is no more. The press release also talks about a new type of vehicle, though it sounds like a crossover. This so-called white space vehicle will "combine the best attributes of cars and utilities, such as higher ride height, space and versatility." Currently, Ford sells six sedans and coupes in North America: the Fiesta, Focus, Fusion, C-Max, Mustang and Taurus. This lineup hits multiple segments, from the compact Fiesta to the mid-size Focus, C-Max and Fusion to the full-size Taurus. The Mustang stands alone as the lone coupe.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Frank Harris from Long Beach, CA on Thursday, April 26, 2018 - 01:36 pm:

Back when Buick built three and four holers they taught people to want more holes. The Government said Station wagons used too much gas so they quit building them and large families had to get trucks with campers on them. Then convertibles were not safe so they built them with roll bars or quit. Then they invented SUV's and got them classified as trucks to avoid CAFE fuel regulations.

The result is that the term "SUV" is often applied to both crossovers and SUVs. In the past, that was even more common. Before, "SUV" brought up negative associations with large size and poor gas mileage. That's when many automakers started using the term "crossover" to describe a vehicle that was "crossing over" from the practicality of an SUV to the drivability and fuel efficiency of a car.

When Is It an SUV?

The result is that the term "SUV" is often applied to both crossovers and SUVs. In the past, that was even more common. Before, "SUV" brought up negative associations with large size and poor gas mileage. That's when many automakers started using the term "crossover" to describe a vehicle that was "crossing over" from the practicality of an SUV to the drivability and fuel efficiency of a car.

We used to have sealed beam headlights that cost about three or four dollars and it was a safety measure. Then CAFE standards got into the wind resistance game and they were allowed to streamline the front of a car to save a penny a mile on fuel and so now headlights can cost two and three three thousand dollars, that's $2000 to $3000 each in order to save fuel. It worked so they raised the price of fuel to gain the lost tax money. WE JUST CAN'T EVER WIN. So we will have to drive those top heavy SUV's masquerading as top heavy ugly sedans and being called Crossovers. Not all being able to hold a family so now they will build more trucks which are not all CAFE regulated and use more fuel so the Government can collect more taxes. How many holes do you want in your Buick truck of the future ? Catch 22 anyone ?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dean Kiefer - Adams, MN on Thursday, April 26, 2018 - 03:23 pm:

Frank, you are right about the price on headlights. Some are actually up to $5000. but I have not had to buy any of them yet. I had a customer that wrecked both in a accident and they were H I D lamps. They were for a Ford and cost $2500. each and they did not come with bulbs or the little computer in them plus they had a $50. core charge on them. All the companies on newer cars are putting core charges on headlight, taillights and bumper covers so the companies that recondition them don't get there hands on them.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George n LakeOzark,Missourah on Thursday, April 26, 2018 - 03:27 pm:

Hey Darel !! How zat ticker comin' along ??? Glad you are still with us.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jason Given - St. Paul, MN on Thursday, April 26, 2018 - 04:11 pm:

interesting article

https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/ford/2018/04/25/ford-quarterly-profit-cut s-lineup/549463002/


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Adrian Whiteman, New Zealand on Thursday, April 26, 2018 - 04:39 pm:

This is the beginning of the end of Ford.

beaten down by Asian manufacturers who learned Henry's production methods then applied them.

Helped along by a generation of US "business men" who happily moved production to new factories in China (Chinese gvt would not allow old machinery) for a quick buck rather than invest locally.

Well, not surprising when the next quarter is as far as their bonus schemes can see.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charlie B actually in Toms River N.J. on Thursday, April 26, 2018 - 05:46 pm:

Totally wrong as to The End. People aren't buying the "family" cars. The SUV is FAR more versatile. Better ride/more cargo space/more people space/ no bigger than a sedan... It's all plusses. The End? No way. They know what their doing folks. Wait and see.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don - Conroe, TX on Thursday, April 26, 2018 - 06:07 pm:

I think it's smart thinking on Ford's part.

People under 30 aren't really buying vehicles in the old sedan format. Instead they're buying the crossover variants (Escape, Edge, Explorer) and then the trucks and truck-based SUV's.

The sedan format (hood-passengers-trunk)format is just not efficient at seating people and is not particularly aerodynamic.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don - Conroe, TX on Thursday, April 26, 2018 - 06:10 pm:

My last company car was a Ford Escape with the turbocharged 4 cylinder. I was prepared to hate it but ended up liking it a lot. The only downside was the small size.

Recently, I took on an Explorer as a company car. It also has the turbocharged EcoBoost engine...which is a thing of beauty. It's much bigger and is a quality vehicle.

Other than antique cars, I don't think I'll ever buy another sedan-type car. My wife's wanting a new car and she has her eye on a Nissan Pathfinder...which is also not a sedan.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Grant J Barlow on Thursday, April 26, 2018 - 07:18 pm:

During the 50's & 60's when I was growing up, it seemed that just about every family had a station wagon. You would not believe what we carried in our wagons.

Then the kids left home and station wagons became a thing of the past.

In our household (the kids are still here) we have 4 SUV's, 2 sedans (all wheel drive), and a 4WD crew cab pickup. The truck is US made, a Ford. The rest are from Germany or Sweden. Reason? All the US sedans & non-Suburban SUVs are front wheel drive. And I cannot cope with front wheel drive.

Ford is probably smart getting away from the car business. Look at Chrysler, all large sedans and SUVs/trucks.

Can GM be far behind?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mack Cole ---- Earth on Thursday, April 26, 2018 - 07:29 pm:

I think some of it is people are tired of having gas sipping roller skates forced on them.They want space,hp,comfort and for what vehicles cost,they should be able to get it. Fwd, I learned as a little kid on my tricycle,it stinks.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Grant J Barlow on Thursday, April 26, 2018 - 07:33 pm:

Mack; I concur 100%


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Noel D. Chicoine, MD, Pierre, SD on Thursday, April 26, 2018 - 09:14 pm:

Don, I hope you like your ecoboost. I've a 3.5 in my 2011 F150 and have had to replace plugs every 40K as the electrodes are too fine. They open the gap and then the high compression causes the spark to jump from plug to cap to ground, causing a carbon track and stranding me twice 50+ miles from help until we learned to change the plugs at 40K. The timing chain stretched and is out of warranty at 110K, in spite of full synthetic oil every 5K. $2900! "factor design problem" with the cam fazers and chain/tensioner. The intake valves coke up from PVC gases that are not diluted with fuel due to the direct injection. Ford's fix="replace the heads". And light hail is terrible on the thin fuel efficient sheet metal. For every dollar I've saved on gas with this vehicle, I've spent $2 on repairs due to engineering problems. Yes, the power is great, but not worth it to me.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Peter Borland. Bathurst. NSW. Australia. on Thursday, April 26, 2018 - 09:26 pm:

G'day,
Just announced that Ford has been fined $10,000,000 here for telling customers that it's their driving habits, not a technical fault that causes a shudder in their automatic transmission cars.
Cars are now imported here as the last manufacturing plant closed last year in Adelaide.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Schrope - Upland, IN on Thursday, April 26, 2018 - 09:46 pm:

Just imagine what kind of car we'd be driving if the government didn't mandate all this stuff.

I'd like to still have my old '69 Olds 98LS with a 455 cid. It would get almost 15 mpg with its 395 HP. BUT, it only lasted 240,000 miles though.

Now? I'm driving Warren Miller's old '79 Chevy pickup.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don - Conroe, TX on Thursday, April 26, 2018 - 10:19 pm:

Noel....I put 345,000 on the EcoBoost in my Ford Escape before I gave it up.

Great little engine.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don - Conroe, TX on Thursday, April 26, 2018 - 10:20 pm:

Noel...there's no need to change full synthetic every 5K miles. You're just wasting money doing that.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ted Dumas on Thursday, April 26, 2018 - 10:59 pm:

Seems like I see more Chevy sedans on the road everyday. I wonder what the GM plan is. My 2000 Silverado has 387,000 miles on it. If I replace it I will likely buy a Toyota Tundra.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Chris Barker, Somerset, England on Friday, April 27, 2018 - 05:48 am:

We have Chevy Sedans in the UK, but they are all made in Korea.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hal Davis-SE Georgia on Friday, April 27, 2018 - 07:52 am:

I commute 160 miles round-trip each day to work. I drive a '14 Focus and I like it. It has 140K on it and it's like brand new. I know it will eventually wear out and I will have to replace it. I'm a Ford guy through and through. I understand the new Focus is supposed to look really good. I've not seen it, but my son said he saw something on the internet. I like the looks of the Fusion, but don't really need the extra room and like the gas mileage of the Focus better. I will be sad to see it go, though.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By george house . . .caldwell county, TX on Friday, April 27, 2018 - 08:58 am:

And Iím like Hal - a consummate Ford owner. But Ford, lately, hasnít made a correct vehicle for me. My 2010 Explorer is the last of its model to have rear wheel drive and thatís what I need for pulling light trailers. And my 2001 F 250 gets 11 MPG pulling a tandem axle closed trailer with a Model T inside. But a 2018 F 150 Ecoboost gets 5.9 and the gas V8 only gets 8 MPG pulling the same rig.The latter was priced at $41 K and cheapest 6.7 L diesel F 250 is $52 K. I call the new Ford F series trucks ĎSUVsí because theyíre mostly 4 door 4 wheel drive.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Darel J. Leipold on Friday, April 27, 2018 - 12:07 pm:

I drive vintage Ford Taurus wagons or Mercury wagons. I have owned 15 of them since 1985. I now have a 2004 Taurus wagon with 110,000 miles and a 1999 Mercury with 120.000 miles. They have room inside for 8 foot pieces of lumber and an area for a top carrier. I am looking for a third one with low miles to store until the present ones need to be replaced.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By john kuehn on Friday, April 27, 2018 - 01:34 pm:

Kinda going on the way of station wagons. Remember those? As was stated the family size sedans have been slowly going away and pretty much gone.
Most folks want a combination of sedan, station wagon, drivability and reliability.
The SUV fits in all those categories.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis R on Friday, April 27, 2018 - 04:10 pm:

I used to be a consummate Ford person myself. Then Ford got stupid- The infamous blowing sparkplugs out of the heads, killing off the Ranger, diesel engines that were lousy, having auto transmissions made in China that that aren't worth their weight in scrap. The new Focus?- its going to be imported from--- China. I loved the Fords in the early 80's. Had an 84 Escort, traded it in with 250,000 miles, still had the original clutch(and most other parts), 88 Ranger, traded it in at 200,000 miles for a 99 Ranger that is still going strong at 189,000 miles. The three latest Fords we've owned have been crap. Sorry Ford, I just traded in my wife's Taurus for a new Hyundai. Light years better designed than any of my last Fords. I'm still keeping my thirty+ year old F250. But no more new Fords.

The sad part is that I look at my T a little different now...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Thomas Jull in Oakland on Friday, April 27, 2018 - 04:59 pm:

Is this story actually true? All I have found from Ford is that they will idle 5 plants for about 10 weeks to slow production of their passenger cars due to too much inventory. 3 plants are in the US and 2 are in Mexico.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Killecut on Friday, April 27, 2018 - 05:44 pm:

George, I don't know where you are getting your information from. Last July we bought a new F-150. It is a 3.5 V-6 twin turbo with a 10 speed transmission. Towing my 20 ft trailer, it get's between 14-15 mpg. Driving under normal conditions my wife gets between 22-24 mpg. I can tell you the truck is very fast. I doubt that there is anything on the road in it's class that could come anywhere near it. It even out performs my 04 F-250 V-10. So far we have put 14,000 miles on it. We both absolutely love this truck! We would buy another F-150 in a heart-beat.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Killecut on Friday, April 27, 2018 - 06:01 pm:

I should have made clear that the trailer is a 20 ft enclosed


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Noel D. Chicoine, MD, Pierre, SD on Friday, April 27, 2018 - 06:58 pm:

Dan, I'm glad you get such great mileage from your ecoboost. We pulled our 16 ft trailer with our touring from South Dakota to Auburn, NY and back in 2016 and got between 7 and 8mpg. We did better going to the Kanab tour and back I believe due to higher elevation and less wind resistance. We got 11mpg at 55, and 10 at 60, then down to 7.5 as we left the mountains and came down into Nebraska. We do get 22 mpg at 55 empty, and 18mpg at 75. I'm afraid of any of the newer vehicles as I don't believe the electronics will last as long as the mechanicals. The days of driving without an extended warranty are over.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By kep on Friday, April 27, 2018 - 07:41 pm:

Ford Rangers are big in my eyes.
All these SUV/softroader things are rubbish. My T pulls them out of mud, or sometimes steep gravel, what? They have 4wd?
And you can't find parking for them anywhere.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Killecut on Friday, April 27, 2018 - 08:06 pm:

Noel, what year is your truck and what is the engine,drive train? In 2017 There were four V6's counting one available only in the Raptor, and one V-8. Our truck, not counting the Raptor had the highest HP V-6. It has the Twin Turbo, with a 10 speed transmission. It has more HP than the V-8. It also has a feature that the engine shuts down when you're at a stop, which helps the gas mileage, that you can lock out if you don't want to use it. This exact set up was first available in 2017, according to the salesman. It's the twin turbo and 10 speed that makes this truck so FAST and towing the trailer a breeze.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Adrian Whiteman, New Zealand on Friday, April 27, 2018 - 08:34 pm:

I guess my Toyota Previa (people mover) at 207,000 miles is still a baby!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Terry Woods, Richmond, Texas on Saturday, April 28, 2018 - 12:36 am:

Hey, if there are going to be no Ford sedans sold, do you think it will help raise the value of Model T tudors, fordors, and centerdoors?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By george house . . .caldwell county, TX on Saturday, April 28, 2018 - 08:47 am:

Howdy Dan,
The local Ford salesman said I couldnít drag my 14í enclosed, V nose trailer to the dealership to test his new F 150s - sales manager wouldnít go for it. So he drove an eco boost 3.5 L out here and we hooked to the trailer with a Ď26 roadster inside. Did the same a little later with the 5 L V8. Drove 4 miles on both tests making sure to 0 out the MPG thingy before. Thatís how I determined the MPG. Now Iím on the lookout for a low mileage used Power Stroke diesel F 250


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Codman on Saturday, April 28, 2018 - 08:58 am:

I agree with Charlie B in Toms River - Ford is simply adapting to a change in customer demand. Remember that Ford once (gasp) dropped the model T when people decided that they wanted a bigger car with more power, a more normal transmission, and better brakes. That was 91 years ago and Ford is still here. Not to worry.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Lew Morrill on Saturday, April 28, 2018 - 10:05 am:

Many foreign countries (mostly in Europe) are banning internal combustion engines in "green zones" and large cities. The auto companies will need to significantly change their product offerings to meet the proposed changes mandated to take effect in 2020.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ted Dumas on Saturday, April 28, 2018 - 11:58 am:

Toyota is expanding its plant in Mississippi that build the Corolla. The Camry is America's best selling sedan. The Camry, Avalon and Lexus ES350 are all built in Kentucky. Tundra pickups are built in San Antonio, Texas.

Sounds to me that Ford is unable to compete in the "car" market so they are throwing in the towel.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Terry Woods, Richmond, Texas on Saturday, April 28, 2018 - 12:07 pm:

I'm a Ford owner from way back. I can't remember the number of Ford pickups that I've owned compared to Chevy and one Dodge. I'm had two Ford F250 diesels, both non turbo; a 6.9 and a 7.1 and both got terrible fuel mileage. The best fuel mileage that I've ever gotten with any pickup was an 83 Suburban, 4 wheel drive with a 6.2 diesel. I had another 6.2 diesel in a K20 four wheel drive pickup. Both were slow accelerators, but once up to speed, provided dependable towing power. I consistently got 21+ MPG unloaded and 19 MPG pulling a 16' open pipe trailer with a 4000 pound load. I've never tried a Chevy diesel since I had them. As for mileage, the first Ford pickup that I ever had was a 75 F100 4WD that came with a 360. When the warranty was out, I replaced the 360 with a 428 Police Interceptor engine out of a wrecked Houston Police Dept. vehicle. Several local cops road with me in it, and I had offers from them to buy it. It was stolen and never recovered or I might still have it. I'll add, that even with a factory rating of 360 horsepower, a 428 PI in that pickup got 1.5 times the mileage of a 6.9 or 7.1 Ford diesel and had as much torque.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Killecut on Saturday, April 28, 2018 - 01:03 pm:

George, I really can't understand that kind of mileage. Which V-6 was it that you tried out? As I said there are four of them. Was it the Twin Turbo with the 10 speed transmission, or one of the lesser ones? I've had a lot of Ford trucks and have gotten reasonable mileage for what I was towing, including my 04 F-250 with a V-10, which I still own. It was my tow vehicle before I bought the 2017. The bottom line is, you only have to please yourself. Ford has been the number one selling Pick-up for that last 40 years. There has to be a reason.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jeff Hood -Long Beach, California on Saturday, April 28, 2018 - 01:44 pm:

The MPG "thingy" on the dash will not give you accurate mileage. It gives instant mileage calculated on speed and throttle position. My wife's car has this feature, and when going downhill it shows over 90mpg, uphill may be only 15mpg, and the overall calculation may be only 22mpg, but when I figure it the old fashioned (real) way by dividing miles traveled by gallons used, she gets 28mpg. You can't go by the "thingy."


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