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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By vincent bassani Califon, NJ on Sunday, May 06, 2018 - 05:14 pm:

What was the first year for generators? I'm assuming the magneto charge the battery on early cars


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Frank van Ekeren (Australia) on Sunday, May 06, 2018 - 05:25 pm:

1919 was the first year along with the starter motor, and no, there is no battery charging from the magneto back in the day, but today we have the means to do so if one wishes too.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Garnet on Sunday, May 06, 2018 - 05:26 pm:

About 1919 for the Starting/Lighting system. Ford never used the magneto for battery charging. The magneto is strictly for ignition.

Read thru the Encyclopedia here:
http://www.mtfca.com/encyclo/index.htm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Gregush Portland Oregon on Sunday, May 06, 2018 - 05:34 pm:

And head lights 1915 to 1919 and up to 1926 on cars that came without starter and generator.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By vincent bassani Califon, NJ on Sunday, May 06, 2018 - 06:44 pm:

So in 1913 or model T's had a battery to start the car but this battery had to be charged separately?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Gregush Portland Oregon on Sunday, May 06, 2018 - 06:54 pm:

No battery was included when you bought the T until 1919 and then only the ones that came with a starter. You could add your own, there was a position on the switch and terminal on the coil box. Many just used a Hot Shot type dry cell or the large dry cells like used in hand crank wall phones. These batteries were used to start the car only, unless of course your mag went south. Most people would not have used a wet cell type, they were very expensive.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By vincent bassani Califon, NJ on Sunday, May 06, 2018 - 07:11 pm:

As you might've guessed this is all new to me. My other model t's were a 25 & a 26. Both had electric start and a generator. So in 1913 the car was started by hand in the magneto position?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Duey_C west central, MN on Monday, May 07, 2018 - 11:54 pm:

Oh yeah! Pull briskly! Or go buy a battery if it's cold out. :-)
Vinny, in some ways you're lucky. I experienced the magic of a new fangled electric starter just last year!

(Message edited by duey_c on May 07, 2018)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By vincent bassani Califon, NJ on Tuesday, May 08, 2018 - 08:22 pm:

So ford did or did not sell the car with a battery in 1913? And if you did have a battery did you have to bring it someplace to get it charged? And how often would that be done? What did they charge people to charge your batteries? I know it's a lot of questions but I'm very curious and very interested in the history of my new addition which I will post photos of soon


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Garnet on Tuesday, May 08, 2018 - 08:52 pm:

I should correct my dimwit answer above. The magneto was also used for lighting as well as horn operation.

As Mark explained above, non-rechargeable dry cell batteries were used to power the coilbox while cranking over by hand. Once running you would then switch to magneto power. Dry cells were disposable and replaced when dead.

Garnet


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Gregush Portland Oregon on Tuesday, May 08, 2018 - 09:20 pm:

Ford DID not supple a battery till 1919.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Frank van Ekeren (Australia) on Tuesday, May 08, 2018 - 09:25 pm:

It was never Fords intent for using a battery to start, just the magneto. Work shop manuals will describe on using a battery in the ignition system to run when looking for magneto problems.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kenneth W DeLong on Wednesday, May 09, 2018 - 09:14 am:

That sounds a little far fetched!! Bud.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Wednesday, May 09, 2018 - 01:05 pm:

Garnet - I'm not sure of this, but I think that the non-rechargeable dry cell batteries you mentioned, were used mostly because that particular type dry cell battery was very plentiful and easily obtainable as they were used all over the country at that time for telephones.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Wednesday, May 09, 2018 - 01:07 pm:

.....oops! Sorry Mark G., I guess you already explained that!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Garnet on Wednesday, May 09, 2018 - 01:19 pm:

Right on the nose Harold .... they were plentyful.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Menzies on Wednesday, May 09, 2018 - 01:57 pm:

Today they call them fence batteries, they were also used for fire alarm systems. I have a pair of then in my 15. It will start on the mag but it is easier with the battery.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Gregush Portland Oregon on Wednesday, May 09, 2018 - 04:57 pm:

Phone battery used in the day;


Hot shot or what I would call fence battery;


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Frank van Ekeren (Australia) on Wednesday, May 09, 2018 - 08:01 pm:

Bud.
IF and I say IF! your post of "that sounds a little far fetched"
was referring to what I posted, I'll clarify with some Ford facts.
When you buy a nice new shiny model T, you get a owners manual and that has the starting instructions in it. All say the same thing up to and even with a electric starter to 1921 key on magneto for starting, manuals 1921 to 25 use either if battery equipped and the improved T start on battery and switch to mag.
Pre 1919, the only reference to a battery start I have ever found is for work shop use.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By vincent bassani Califon, NJ on Wednesday, May 09, 2018 - 08:30 pm:

Cool stuff thanks. Please take a look at my other thread, engine number and date I'd love to hear what everybody has to say about it


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kenneth W DeLong on Wednesday, May 09, 2018 - 10:32 pm:

Frank,The fact that all Ford switches had a position for battery makes me think it was there to be used! Bud.!


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