How can I use wire wheels with small rear drums?

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2018: How can I use wire wheels with small rear drums?
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom F on Saturday, June 09, 2018 - 09:39 am:

Wondering how someone can make the pre ‘26 small drums work with 26/27 wire wheel hubs and wheels. Is there a spacer someone makes?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Walt Wise III on Saturday, June 09, 2018 - 09:46 am:

One way is buying the adapters from the various T vendors. The adapters bolt to the wooden hubs for front and back using the six holes in those hubs to the six holes in the adapters , using grade #8 bolts. the bolts come with the adapters, but they aren't cheap - now a little over $600 for the four adapters. I did this with Model A wire wheels, that have the 5x5.5" bolt pattern. Model T wire wheels have 5x5" bolt pattern. Hope this helps!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Gregush Portland Oregon on Saturday, June 09, 2018 - 09:48 am:

https://www.modeltford.com/item/2888T.aspx


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom F on Saturday, June 09, 2018 - 09:52 am:

What if I want to use proper wire hubs?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Noel D. Chicoine, MD, Pierre, SD on Saturday, June 09, 2018 - 10:00 am:

I acquired a 26 Ruckstell and replaced the earlier rear end and drums, obviating the need for any spacers or other work. I suspect you can put 26 backing plates and brakes on an earlier rear end and the wire wheel hubs would fit just fine.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom F on Saturday, June 09, 2018 - 10:02 am:

Right, but I want to use my small drums and not alter my rear end going through the effort changing backing plates, etc. I want to use a set of period correct ac brakes and they’re only made for small drums.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Gregush Portland Oregon on Saturday, June 09, 2018 - 10:11 am:

You would have re-drill the small drums for 5 bolt pattern to mount the small brake drums to the wire wheel rear hubs. Buy and install new studs which have to be swedged into place to hold the drum to the hub. One of our club members has that set up, including the AC brakes. Besides, not only are the wire wheels mounted to the back of the hub the center section also is part of the support for the wheel.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Gregush Portland Oregon on Saturday, June 09, 2018 - 10:12 am:

You can not put 26/27 backing plates on earlier rears. The spacing is different.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Walt Wise III on Saturday, June 09, 2018 - 10:14 am:

I believe there were only a VERY few of these made, but I have seen a small drum rear hubs for wire wheels(5x5" bolt pattern). Again, I have only seen one in person and one fabricated by someone to match the first one. That is all the info I have on that though, but like I said, I did see the one original small drum with the 5x5" bolt pattern. I will bet this reply causes a few responses...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace, North FL on Saturday, June 09, 2018 - 11:36 am:

This is one of those rare wire wheel rear hub with small drum, if you could find a set :-(



Next best is what Mark posted. Get a set of '26-'27 rear hubs for the wire wheels, remove the large drums, and replace with small drums that have been re-drilled for the hole spacing of the wire wheels. New studs and you have it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Gregush Portland Oregon on Saturday, June 09, 2018 - 11:46 am:

To add, someplace I seem to recall seeing small brake drums that were not drilled for sale. You might have to spend some search time looking for them.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace, North FL on Saturday, June 09, 2018 - 12:09 pm:

Mark

Believe you can custom order from McLaren the small drums un-drilled, he makes these.

http://mclarenmfg.com/brakedrums.html


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Gregush Portland Oregon on Saturday, June 09, 2018 - 12:21 pm:

Dan thank you. That was fast! :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Hjortnaes, Men Falls, WI on Saturday, June 09, 2018 - 05:40 pm:

Dan beat me to it. McLaren was kind enough to take a small drum and drill the 5 holes in the drum. This way you know they are accurately placed. I removed the large drums from a set of hubs, and installed the small drum. Much less expensive than purchasing the adaptors from a vendor. They work just fine.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Hatch on Saturday, June 09, 2018 - 05:47 pm:

I know where a set is. :-)

Here is half of it. Dan


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Williams, Hillsboro Oregon on Saturday, June 09, 2018 - 05:57 pm:

Wow That's cool if McLaren would drill the small drum to fit the wire wheels, even if they charged a small drilling fee.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom F on Saturday, June 09, 2018 - 06:50 pm:

Awesome. Thanks for the info guys. One issue: I’ve tried contacting mclaren a few times over the past year with no response. Is the email on the website correct? Is there another email address?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Tomaso - Longbranch,WA on Sunday, June 10, 2018 - 07:55 am:

I also attempted to contact McLaren regarding the same drums to convert - never made contact !


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR on Sunday, June 10, 2018 - 09:05 am:

John McLaren sold his wheel business to Mike Lebsack a year or so ago. John's son Mark has the American Vintage Rims business. I think he would be the one to contact about drums.

http://www.americanvintagerims.com/


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