Need advice on timing

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2018: Need advice on timing
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By James DellaRatta on Wednesday, June 27, 2018 - 03:37 pm:

Building a 1923 T and got it started but the timing advance lever doesn't smooth out the rough idle. Didn't seem to do much when I moved the timing lever. How do I get it to idle smoothly? Thank you


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Eckensviller - Thunder Bay, ON on Wednesday, June 27, 2018 - 03:43 pm:

A couple places to look first would be confirming all plugs are firing, good (enough) compression on all cylinders, and playing with the carb needle.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Neil Kaminar on Wednesday, June 27, 2018 - 04:17 pm:

Try a little wider gap on the plugs.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Wednesday, June 27, 2018 - 04:31 pm:

First try shorting to the head each spark plug with an insulated handle screwdriver one at a time. If you notice shorting one or more plugs does not change the way it runs, that plug is not firing. If shorting a plug causes a noticeable slow down of the engine, that one is firing. If they all seem to be firing, try rotating the carburetor needle valve clockwise until the engine slows down. Then rotate counter clockwise until it starts to run rough. Set it about half way between those two positions. That should be the smoothest idle.

If you find that one spark plug is not firing, you can try another plug. If that fixes the problem you have found that plug was bad. If it still misfires, try switching the coil with another one which is firing. If the misfire moves with the coil, you have a bad coil. If it is still in the same place, you have a problem in one of 3 places: the timer, the wiring, or the coil box.
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Annaian - Moultonborough NH on Wednesday, June 27, 2018 - 04:47 pm:

Before you go too too crazy, make a quick check to make sure there is no slop anywhere in the timing lever and it's rod.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By James DellaRatta on Wednesday, June 27, 2018 - 05:26 pm:

Thank you everyone


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By James DellaRatta on Wednesday, June 27, 2018 - 05:30 pm:

Could one of the contacts in the roller timer not work? Just figured if one works they would all work? Thanks


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Peter Claverie, Memphis TN on Wednesday, June 27, 2018 - 05:55 pm:

Roller timers are traditionally pretty hardy. There are two things that can mess them up, however.

One is for the timer to be severely off of center with the cam shaft. Not likely if your problem is at idle speed.

The other is dirt, rust, oil, or other 'stuff' in the timer case, causing the roller to make no or bad contact with the segments. Most brands of timers require an occasional wipe-out.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By James DellaRatta on Wednesday, June 27, 2018 - 09:41 pm:

I built this car from scratch. Timer is clean and the coils were rebuilt by Brent Mize The Coil Doctor so its not that. Spark plugs are new from Langs. Could be possible that one is bad. I will try carburetor adjustment and make sure all spark plugs are firing.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Thursday, June 28, 2018 - 12:10 am:

You may have already done this, but just in case...

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Kossor - Kenilworth, NJ on Thursday, June 28, 2018 - 08:40 am:

James, Another possibility that can cause rough engine performance is coil box arcing. Wooden coil boxes can develop carbon tracks that divert the spark's intended destination or diminish the spark intensity. Replacement plastic coil box conversion kits are available to help ensure the full spark energy gets to its intended destination.

A comment on properly adjusted coils; Coil point adjustment is far more sensitive to physical handling than many realize. An accidental bump or difficulty installing or removing them from the coil box can result in de-tuning the point adjustment. NEVER push on the coil point elements to install or use a screwdriver to pry the coil point elements to remove the coils from the coil box! Recommend coils be checked for equal and consistent firing time OR try a set of known good coils to rule out coil misadjustment.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Chris Barker, Somerset, England on Thursday, June 28, 2018 - 11:10 am:

A good check is to stop TWO coils at once; the centre pair so the engine runs on just 1 and 4, then the outer pair to leave 2 and 3 working. Just gently press on the lower contacts to stop them moving.
This test will show if one cylinder is not working; the engine should run slower, but evenly on 2 cylinders.
If one of the tests leaves it very rough, then speed up the engine a little, and stop a third coil. If the engine stops, the remaining cylinder is bad.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hal Davis-SE Georgia on Thursday, June 28, 2018 - 12:22 pm:

Is the roller track around the inside of the timer smooth? This usually shows up more at higher speed, but could still be a problem.

Also, yes, one contact in a roller timer can be bad. I had one once that one of the contacts was grounded to the case. This will cause that one coil to fire continuously on battery.


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