To complete the machine shop in the MTFCA Museum, we are in need of a couple of items for the line shaft. To power the line shaft we are looking for an old electric motor with 3 to 5 hp, 110 or 220 volt. We have access to modern looking motors but are wanting an old, non capacitor start one from the 1920s. We would also like to find a small flat belt clutch mechanism for the small lathe we have. Please email me with any leads you may have on these. Jerrybkramer@gmail.com.
Jerry, I was wondering about a line shaft in the machine shop. Is that ceiling high enough to accommodate one?
Jerry, I don't have details, but a well known wheel rebuilder in New Zealand builds his wheels and then turns the centre out on a lathe to match the hubs. That lathe has set of model T trans drums and clutch mechanism to get it in motion once the wheel is mounted.
Allan from down under.
Jerry- I probably have a motor but being a few miles away in California . . . I'm assuming you need a single phase motor- not 3 phase.
I do have a small clutch, but it will need some machine work to make it useable. Dan
Steve, the line shaft we have will go above the back row of machines. The motor, depending on size, could be mounted on the floor or back wall near the northwest corner. The lathe we think will be along the south wall, thus needing a horizontal belt to a short shaft and/or the small clutch mechanism and then down to the step pulley. We want everything to be functional.
Dan, Please send pictures of what you have. I can repair almost any thing if need be. We really need to begin with the motor as it will dictate the pulley sizes we will have to use.
Also if there are pulleys out there, please let us know. Donít worry about the hub size, again I can easily make a bushing or bore it out to fit our needs.
And lastly donít dismiss a possible donation because of its distance from the museum. It may take awhile, but we have ways to get it here. Jerry
I will be in California in mid-November. If Dan's motor turns out to be the one, I can pick it up and get it to the museum.
I am by no means an electrician, but I have been around older electric motors over the years. From what I have learned, those old motors will almost run forever, with some maintenance. Usually when they start causing problems, all they need is to have the shaft bushings replaced. They are tough!! JMHO Dave
I am in Florida - then headed to Kansas - then east to Connecticut.
If someone has a motor to donate along my route - I can get it to the museum.
Just my thought. Being in the 1920's would be
steam in small a small shop. OR a nice make an break Fairbanks or something. I just think steam or make an break gives viewers more of a thrill than a electric motor and I know what motor you seek but the public see's a electric motor just
a motor. Check out Dave Richards steam powered machine shop on U tube. Dave keeps it 'the way
it was' sam
What about a stationary Model T engine? As with the post above,who had el power in the 20's?? Bud wondering when the Vintage Ford will make it to Wheeler,Mi.
Our new machine shop is basically a single car garage. There is barely enough room to fit all the machines in that we currently have. We have been offered a hit and miss to run the line shaft and that would be really neat except for the noise and convenience. Many of the museums that have gone down this machine shop road and did not use an electric motor now have static displays. We want an active machine shop that will allow the actual use of the machines. Educating people on the purpose and history of the machine shop and itís role in the automobile industry is our main goal.
We have been offered a great looking motor, but it isnít quite big enough. We may use it to just run the lathe. We need something from 3 to 5hp to run the line shaft. I know the right motor is out there.
I canít fathom the liability issue involved here.
Many years ago our grandkids [two at the time] ran a lathe at the machine shop at The Henry Ford.I for get what they made from brass but i think they both learned in the process.I think in the early days there was a engine building at the Piquette Plant and the early Olds plant also.Bud.
Jerry, Forget hanging a period 3-5 hp motor on the wall--it will likely weigh about 200 pounds!! I think the electric motor idea is great--they are out there, old "Century's" etc. I hate to mention this, but one common place to find them is old Organblow pipe organ blowers. Hmm, or old air handling systems, you might check with commercial Heating/Air Conditioning companies.
Here's the 5 hp 3-phase 1920's motor on our Organblow, and it runs at 1100 rpm, so there another good point about them; they usually run at a lower speed than many electric motors.
BTW, that motor is all of 200 lbs, maybe more--it's the grey part of the blower.
Steam or hit & miss would be great, but I think the limited space the museum has to work with makes them impractical in this case. That's why I asked about ceiling height. I imagine it's going to be a tight squeeze getting everything in.
I think they have a Fordson that could be parked outside and belted through a wall.1920's power.
Hide a modern motor inside a period correct motor housing. Save weight and energy.
if you want to do it right get a bigger place!!!!. charley
>>who had el power in the 20's??<<
I guess it depends on where you lived...still does, to a lesser extent. By 1920 Richmond, Virginia had been already been electrified for 30 years.
Is it true that this machine shop only has single phase power available? You might want to check with a local electrical supply house; I'm told that the modern three phase solid state motor controllers can be connected to a single phase supply, and will synthesize the third phase...that way if you find the right period motor in three phase it might be useable. Plus with a solid state drive you'd have the "soft-start" feature, which limits the inrush current at starting.
Are any of these electric motors candidates?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Westinghouse-3-HP-Type-C-Induction-Electric-Motor-c-190 0-Antique-Electrical/382529918033?hash=item59108f5451%3Ag%3AwqYAAOSw2IVbXIMn&_sa cat=0&_nkw=antique+electric+motor&_from=R40&rt=nc&LH_TitleDesc=0&_ipg=200
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Dynamo-Electric-Machine-Co-3-HP-Electric-Motor-c-1906-A ntique-Electrical/323370951868?hash=item4b4a6924bc%3Ag%3ASiUAAOSw2GJbXIMJ&_sacat =0&_nkw=antique+electric+motor&_from=R40&rt=nc&LH_TitleDesc=0&_ipg=200
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Vintage-1916-GE-Induction-Electric-Motor-10HP-2 20V-General-Electric/132720171124?hash=item1ee6bd1874%3Ag%3ACpcAAOSwDMNa-3wj&_sa cat=0&_nkw=antique+electric+motor&_from=R40&rt=nc&LH_TitleDesc=0&_ipg=200
The third one is a 10hp model.
Jack, Interesting idea. I will have to check it out. Tim, either would work, if they run. I would hate to pay for something that wonít run. Thanks for finding them. Weíll keep them in mind.
220 will run alot cheaper but are there 3 or 4 leads on the 10 hp?
You know it doesn't have to be an old motor--Just look like one. Hide a modern and efficient motor inside of an old or fake housing.
Jerry- e-mail sent with pictures. Found a 1 HP and a 3 HP- old style GE. Both are same frame style as the 3rd e-bay link above. Dan
Jack has a very good idea, in fact, you can get one to adjust the cycles even, so you can change the running speed of the motor some. We have a soft-start controller on the blower. The inrush load is still pretty high though.
I am on to you ....
You just want the MTFCA Museum to be re-named the MDFCA Museum .....
Picked up ....
I wanna ride in an early steam car for my troubles ....
Will do. See you in New London.